Throttle body corrosion.

Discussion in 'Bonneville' started by tj2, Sep 21, 2016.

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  1. John T

    John T Senior Member

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    Well done its just a pity that you had to keep pushing although there's a similar tale about exhaust replacement on another thread.
    So far all's been well with mine, the recall was done the other week and another more controversial warranty issue was also sorted earlier this year. That was a large nearly 10mm 'chip' in the tanks paintwork. The dealer had spotted and logged it at its first service assuming I knew about it but I only noticed it when I got the polish out a day or 2 later (it was low down and on the right front side out of sight line and on the 'wall side' of my garage). Closer examination and our opinion was that it was a failure with paint system as I was sure I hadn't been hit with gravel or had left the bike where this damage could have occurred. Anyway Newcastle Triumph were happy with my version of events and contacted the factory who agreed to supply and fit a new one within a few days.
     
  2. OnlySon

    OnlySon Well-Known Member

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    Well, funnily enough my new Scrambler is showing signs of corrosion and and it has had only 3 or 4 wet runs. It has been washed and cleaned and I have used the Scottoiler 365 treatment (which I don't think is that special to be honest). I'm looking at a stainless bolt set as the heads of my bolts are going and the bike only has 1100 miles on it and a couple of months old. Pipework is showing signs of pitting/corrosion too. I have a 7 year old Yamaha (not known for the best rustproofing) with ten times the mileage and it genuinely looks as clean as my `66 plate Triumph.
     
  3. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    Hello guys. I am new in the Triumph World coming from Japanese bikes after 30 years of a lovely relationship.
    I just got a brand new 2019/202 Speed Twin that is 13 days old with 560lm on the road in less than 8 days. Never got a rain and it keep covered in the into a garage. I am experiencing some problems (high engine temperature, squeaky brake and some other) that I should not in bike of this price and I have to mention that I never had them with my other bikes. Because the age of my ST, there is no space to discuss about the cleaning activity. I already rote to the Customer Service who just said: PRESENT THE PROBLEM AT THE FIRST SERVICE at your dealer. So, I have to wait until complain a little more. As soon as the quarantine of COVID-19 stops, I will pay a visit the the dealer. So, take a look on these pics. It is really unacceptable in bike with this price.

    Now, as nobody publishes anything in the thread for some time, I would like to ask you all if some of you found a way to sove it or a workaround over this problem with reduced cost. I can find some solutions, but all with an increased cost on the overall price over this bike, what I would not like to. Regards to you all.

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  4. beerkat

    beerkat Senior Member

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    Bloody hell, that’s appalling . I’ve not seen anything that bad on an almost brand new bike. Hope your dealer & Triumph sort it asap.
     
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  5. Angus

    Angus Noble Member

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    Hi Acadena,

    Welcome to the forum. I’m even upset for your part after looking at the pictures. Definitely something attacking the cast and bolts. My advice as you rightly said after the lock down take it back immediately, document everything where possible in writing and make it clear as day that you are not going to run up and down to resolve this. I hope they sort it for you with little as possible hassle. Let us know how you get on.
     
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  6. John Scotcher

    John Scotcher Active Member

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    It looks like a damp problem which could be because you have covered up the bike in the garage. I don't cover my bike with a bike cover when in the garage - I just use an old cotton bed sheet which is just to stop dust etc. but allows the air to circulate around the bike which helps to stop any damp occurring.
     
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  7. Angus

    Angus Noble Member

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    Certainly good advice John but for it to deteriorate to such an extent in less than two weeks of ownership shows a serious problem. Those are some deep marks, on the casting which is annodised, the bolt which is plated and even on the plastic. I’d be very concerned and upset if it was mine. Imagine a year from now ...
     
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  8. Angus

    Angus Noble Member

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    Edit: “Annodised” if some of the components in the pictures are castings indeed.
     
  9. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    That bike has almost certainly been assembled in Brazil which makes me wonder how and where those parts have been stored prior to assembly. It looks like the damage you would expect from prolonged exposure to salt.
     
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  10. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    As you realized, I am very upset, not mentioning angry. About your comments. Yes, this bike is assembled in Brazil and most parts come from abroad like one of these with problems that is manufactured by BOAMAX (this company is not present in Brazil). The FINISHER, THROTTLE BODY, RH, part number T2205084. I bet that only plastic parts are made here as part of the OEM program at Zona Franca de Manaus (tax free zone in middle of Amazon Forest). About the damp problem, it is not applied for two reasons: 1) Could never happen in a two week years old bike and 2) I am using this same procedure to cover my bikes for more than 15 years with Japanese bikes with no problem. And I am writing on daily basis to Triumph Customer Service copying the Dealer´s manager. And thinking that I was about to buy a Kawasaki Z900 when I heard the Triumphs´s "Mermaid´s Song", if make any sense to you guys. Well, said that, today I discovered something else. Related with front brakes and rear wheel. Take a look. I really pissed.

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    Look the disc bolts

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    And now, the dent on read wheel. Possibly assembling problem not verified by quality control

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    Well, very, very pissed. I will keek you all posted on the developments.
     
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  11. LeezRyd

    LeezRyd Well-Known Member

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    Not trying to be the devil's advocate here, but with that much obvious corrosion/wheel damage, you should have refused the bike at time of purchase. Unless, of course it was bought sight-unseen, then it's Caveat Emptor, buyer beware
     
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  12. Angus

    Angus Noble Member

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    I would be livid. The sad part now is you have already parted with your money. I’m sure you wish you could get a refund. Easier said than done I know. Let’s give your dealer a chance to make this right, I sincerely hope they do for your sake. Most difficult now with the damn lock down in the way but be patient.

    I just bought a new car a month ago, a Golf VII 1.0 Tsi. After having lived with the car for just over a week I contacted the dealer to complain about a constant judder/vibration on the clutch pedal. After visiting them 3 times to get the car booked in plus having to leave it there for 3 days I get a call to say nothing is wrong and that they all do it and that it’s normal for a 3 cylinder - really :mad:??? WTF The polo courtesy car they gave me is not doing it and it’s also a 3 cylinder. Now because they say its normal I must live with it. The car doesn’t do it when its cold only when warmed up i.e oil temp around 94 degrees celsius. Very unpleasant to live with and honestly I cant see myself owning this one for long.
     
  13. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    Just a thought.
    I bought a brand new bike directly on an official authorized dealer. Took an overall look. None of these problems jumped on my sight. Those obvious problems on aluminum parts I am sure they were not there. If they were, I would not get the bike.

    Now, about the bolts on disc brakes, I did not look at them. And about the dent on the rear wheel? I did not look at that too. I just found when I as cleaning it. How can you imagine buying a new brand new bike with corrosion and other problems? They were simply not there. The problem is related with low quality material.

    Also, there are other not visible problems even mentioned in other threads in this forum that are high heat from the bike´s engine and squeaky brake.

    I am buying brand new bikes over 30 years and never went through all and every details as I would buying a second hand bike with unknown history. As I mentioned, all my bike bikes were Japanese so far and 100% perfect from the Day 1 until sold.
     
  14. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    You are right. Very difficult. But let me share something that happened with me here in Brazil. I bought a brand new Refrigerator from Electrolux. It got a problem not freezing. The refrigerator had to be moved to the maintenance office. The changed the motor say the origin of the problem was failure in the energy supply. Plus they damaged the body of the refrigerator. I asked to fix the body and asked a detailed report of the problem so I could claim the fixing cost over the electricity company. None of both happened. Some other problems during the process. Keeping a long story short, I discovered the name and email of the Electrolux´s President in Brazil as well as Marketing Director, Sales Director, HR Director and some other. I sent a detailed letter to them. In less than a day I was contacted back from someone informing the got a mission from the President to remove my refrigerator and provide me with an upgrade of new brand new on. So, that is what I am going to do with Triumph in Brazil. I am retired and have plenty of time. This will be my next spare time project it the problems are not fixed peaceful.
     
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  15. Tigcraft

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    That bike has been uncared in a cold damp warehouse for along time by the looks of it before it’s come to the showroom
     
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  16. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Either way, I would email your photos and story to
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    saying you understand your issue is with Triumph Brazil but that they have an issue with the quality control of their subsidiary of which they need to be aware.
     
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  17. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    Great idea. Thanks for the info. As soon as I am able to do proceed with the first service and depending the result, I will certainly write to the after sale copying the Brazilian factory
     
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  18. Acadena

    Acadena Member

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    That is certainly a very possible root cause. As this was manufactured sometime in 2019 and I just bought it March-2020. As a matter of fact, the FINISHER, THROTTLE BODY, RH, part number T2205084, that I took out to try to clean, was manufactured on May-2019. So, this bike was ready to go between June and December of 2019.
     
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  19. littleade

    littleade The only sane one here
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    Write to the dealer principle and reject it under the consumer rights act 2015 https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-ri...car-i-bought-has-a-problem-what-are-my-rights
     
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  20. brown mouse

    brown mouse Senior Member

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