I agree @dilligaf sun's gone down quick, its bloody freezin now need something to warm the inside's CHEERS OLD BEAN AND TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS
Now I agree this should maybe be in the gardening section, dont think I'm going to even try to explain that to you as it would be wasted, but in short @Vulpes was asking in your words DO YOU LIKE ACERS (its a plant/shrub/tree) here is one behind my paint booth ITS THE RED ONE @dilligaf
Aaahh many a happy hour spent with my brothers in Holland putting crates of that away I used to like the old wired on tops. enjoy mate