The Difference Between Triumph's Claimed Power And Measured Wheel Horsepower.

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  1. Hilltop

    Hilltop New Member

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  2. dilligaf

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    Bloody hell that took some reading :worried:
    I need a drink :p
     
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  3. MrOrange

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    So basically, bike manufacturers are full of crap !!!!
     
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  4. MrOrange

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    They ARE cheating bastards! :mad:
    The car is not even out on the road when they do the tests!!! Just a feckin "simulation", no aerodynamics or hills or traffic, it really is a load of bollox.
    Should be made to actually drive the cars around a course, stop, go, up and down hills. Never gonna happen. :worried:
     
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  6. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Did anyone else start to think that the internal combustion engine is a bit crap when it comes to turning petrol into a force to push you down the road?

    It's no wonder we'll all be driving electric cars and riding electric bikes very soon............................................
     
  7. Hilltop

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    I'm not sure that their marketing departments would frame it quite like that!:joy::joy::joy:
     
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  8. steve lovatt

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    I need more tea and biscuits!
     
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  9. Hilltop

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    It's quite a read isn't it!
     
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  10. Havit

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    i'm not surprised by this, look at VW and their emission tests:(
     
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    To be frank Wayne, I'd be more worried about certain other members "emissions" at the GMU! :dizzy::dizzy:
     
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  12. Havit

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    Now that is an Environmental Issue Steve:skull:
     
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  13. Matthew Upshall

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    That was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing it.

    I have just had my speed triple remapped and put on the dyno.

    First run (stock) gave 110 RWhp +20% = 132 Bhp at the crank.

    Post flash gave 122RWhp +20% = 146.4 Bhp at the crank.

    Interestingly the first run was slightly under what Triumph claim even with a generous 20% transmission loss factor.

    It's still not as quick as my S1000R was, but better all round.

    Regards to all

    Matt
     
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  14. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    To be honest Matt I reckon all the mfrs published finished are just tosh - there's only one way of measuring effective power and that is on a bench, at the back wheel. All the rest is just so open to debate.
     
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  15. MrOrange

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    Most energy sources converted into useful power are just as inefficient. Petrol 4 strokes are between 35% efficient, latest diesels are up to 45% efficient. But power station, Coal or Gas are around the same percentage efficiency, even wind turbines are only 45% efficient, but the source is free. The most efficient energy is Hydro, close to 85% efficient.

    Petrol engines make mostly heat, 1/3 as heat thru the exhaust and 1/3 as heat thru the cooling system and the last 1/3 as actual power. Quite poor really.
     
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  16. datuk

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    What a great article! Not many mags carry that kind of in-depth knowledgeable stuff these days.
     
  17. t552

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    When triumph 1st started out (91) they were actual rear wheel figures but looked bad against the opposition
     
  18. Kinjane

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    On the other hand quoting rear wheel horse power allows you to get a more powerful bike sitting just above a category limit into a lower class without needing to restricting it. Fortunately/Unfortunately the power to weight limitations put an immediate end to this disingenuous practice.
     
  19. Yorkshireman

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    The manufacturers must surely use a blue printed engine to set the bhp figures when claiming what the engine makes. What we get then is pot luck as to how close to the claimed bhp the engine is due to volume production, although modern engineering tolerances, materials, designs, and assembly techniques are way better than they used to be. A good read, I’d forgotten how much detail John Robinson went into when talking about engineering. He clearly knew his stuff and I for one learned a lot from reading his articles, though some found him boring for going to the “nth” degree.
     
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  20. Callumity

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    I always give limited credence to many of these figures for all the reasons outlined - not least taping all the panel joints on cars to improve mpg figures before they were tested on rolling roads in sheds.....

    From a personal satisfaction perspective I remember taking my Cobra to a tuning specialist to set up the carburation. Once the emissions curve looked ok the bloke was a bit crestfallen because my overbored self built 5.7 V8 was pushing out more than his nominally 400 bhp dyno could handle.

    Having reached the years of wisdom that sewed the first seed in my head that I should enjoy it carefully and sell soon. On public roads torque wins hands down for relaxed driving and opportunistic overtaking.
     
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  21. littleade

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    This is true.....however Hilltop do a before and after run so you get to see what improvement they've made. The important bit is the difference between the 2 but in reality if they've done a good job (which they did on my old GS) you'll notice it without needing the graph to prove it....though that's always good to have as bragging rites/evidence you're not talking bollox when you tell your mates
     
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