Tale Of Woe -- Keyless Ignition On S. Triple Rs

Discussion in 'Speed Triple' started by Fitz Brundage, Dec 17, 2018.

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  1. Richard Neale

    Richard Neale Active Member

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    I tested mine and it had to be within about 1 cm3 to actually work !
     
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  2. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    I guess I should test my spare keys. I actually like the keyless idea. Many times I’ve geared up after stopping and then have to search for my keys in all my pockets, so for me I like it. Sorry to hear about all the trouble you’ve had though.
     
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  3. Bikerdave

    Bikerdave Well-Known Member

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    That's a real shame to hear about your woes and full marks for you sharing your experiences to alert the rest of us .... I have to say that whilst my car is keyless I do at least have 2 keyless fobs with it .... for the bike it seemed more like a novelty to me and as suggested in your thread "a solution to a problem that didn't really exist ?!" .. I only took delivery of my RS last Friday so I'm off to check the spare keys ..... Out of interest and maybe a dumb question .... but , when you go touring what's the deal then ? Do you have to take a spare physical key along in case of fob failure ? Cheers mate
     
  4. Col_C

    Col_C I can't re...Member

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    And that's where Triumph (& Ducati) have dropped the ball (IMO)
     
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  5. Col_C

    Col_C I can't re...Member

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    Had a couple years of that on the Multistrada, drove me mad, but at least Ducati offered an option accessory of keyless filler cap (at vast expense and questionable reliability - with no manual override, other than Allen key to remove).
    Something Triumph should address properly.
     
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  6. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Suppose keyless avoids the risk of keys being snatched at traffic lights leaving you to either push your bike home or trying to hide so you can come back with a spare set only for the bike to have been nicked using the stolen keys
     
  7. topbanana0

    topbanana0 Well-Known Member

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    Bikes (and cars I guess) have to much unnecessary gadgets.
    The more they have, the less likely I am to change my bike. Safety features are good abs etc.
    But I don't need keyless ignition, cornering lights, rider modes, electronic suspension, tyre (tire for our USA friends)sensors, coffee percolator?
    When these bike are out of warranty and go tits up, imagine the bill ££££££
    Also the riding experience is more involving, the less interference you have.
     
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  8. tcbandituk

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    But, at one time, your bike was the modern fandangled thing with all the gizmos.......:rolleyes::D
     
  9. MrTriple

    MrTriple One Cylinder Short

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    Agreed...if the smart key is flat, it will (ahem...should!) work in the same way as the spare 'passive' keys. In other words hold the smart key against the underseat tray. I took the battery out of mine and tried it successfully.

    I've gone keyless fuel cap too (Oberon), so the key goes and stays in my pocket. When filling up, I turn the ignition off to kill the engine, then immediately back on to standby. This prevents the Triumph alarm from automatically arming itself...which would require the alarm fob attached to my key fob to deactivate it. Ugh.

    I like keyless (now I've tamed it)...but can't help thinking that the little slot that you could keep your key in, was actually quite useful : unamused:
     
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  10. Sideburn

    Sideburn Well-Known Member

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    I was inspired by your post on this and ended up ordering an Oberon myself. I like keeping the key in my pocket, always. So, now I have these weekend tasks:
    1. Install Oberon gas cap
    2. Install Garmin Zumo 595LM
    3. Test keys actually work ;)
     
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  11. MrTriple

    MrTriple One Cylinder Short

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    Nice work - I bet you can't wait for the weekend :yum

    The hardest thing about the Oberon cap, is choosing a colour (color ;)) combination - what did you go for?

    Oberon have a stand next month at the London ExCeL Motorcycle show...I have tickets and a low temptation threshold o_O.

    I was wondering if this has gone off-topic - but I guess anything that helps the keyless is a good thing. Here's mine:

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  12. Sideburn

    Sideburn Well-Known Member

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    All in the name of keyless, I think it is right on topic! Love the look. I went with the same color so it wouldn't stand out too much and scream <hey open me I don't have a key!>
     
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  13. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    Does the cap hinge up or completely remove?
     
  14. SteveRS

    SteveRS First Class Member

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    Oh, and I tested the spare keys and they work.
     
  15. MrTriple

    MrTriple One Cylinder Short

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    It unscrews and is removed - which means that you have to make sure you don't drop and damage it.

    Ironically, I found myself popping it into a pocket...just like reaching for the key. Doh! :confounded:
     
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  16. tcbandituk

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    Paint a silver bit on it that looks like a key slot :p
     
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  17. Sideburn

    Sideburn Well-Known Member

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    I put my gloves on the bars and set the cap on top of them.
     
  18. Fitz Brundage

    Fitz Brundage Member

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    Update: Functioning passive keys have now arrived from the UK at the local dealer. BUT none of the new keys -- passive or active -- match the lock on my seat or the gas cap (which isn't a problem 'cause I removed the stock gas cap and added a keyless Oberon cap). Triumph has yet to figure out how I can get the new keys to open the seat compartment 'cause the key cut is special and no local locksmiths can perform the work.

    I suspect the long and short of it is that I will have an active key and passive keys that will operate the motorcycle but will need to keep the old, otherwise useless passive key handy in order to open the seat compartment.

    The tragi-comedy now is at 49 days. Perhaps this weekend I will get my bike back along with a jangle of keys of various degrees of utility.
     
  19. Sideburn

    Sideburn Well-Known Member

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    Dang, dude, what a pain, sorry about this.
     
  20. Fitz Brundage

    Fitz Brundage Member

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    I sincerely appreciate all of the words of sympathy I have received. For what it is worth, I recommend that everyone not only make sure that their passive keys work but that they also carry a passive key either in their wallet, on their keychain, or somewhere hidden on the bike. Otherwise, you are truly up a creek without a paddle!
     
  21. MrTriple

    MrTriple One Cylinder Short

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    It's weapons-grade tragi-comedy - biased towards the tragi side. Truly hard to believe it could even happen.

    Have you looked at swapping the blade across from the old Active key...to make at least one fully functioning 'daily' key? It's hinged...so I guess it will come apart (I'm already wincing at the thought of breaking something that you then need to get replaced).
     
  22. Fitz Brundage

    Fitz Brundage Member

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    [Interesting suggestion. I'll consider it. I don't need to get under the seat that often and I don't need the key now to add fuel. So if I can just get the damn thing running I'll be happy!
     
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