Street Twin Brakes

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  1. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    Brakes,I have a 2018 Street twin 900,i have replaced the 2 pot Nissin caliper with a CB1000 3 pot Nissin caliper (NEW ) braking is improved but i'm wondering if it could /would be better with a 14mm master cylinder.i have one off of a T595 that will fit okay.Any info would be appreciated.OApte UK.

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  2. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    Hydraulics is all very similar to a set of levers and leverage ratios.
    What is the diameter of the standard master cylinder?

    A 2 pot to 3 pot conversion will need more fluid volume movement for the same caliper piston travel.
    A smaller master will provide more lever travel and an increased leverage ratio i.e. easier to apply more pressure, but, this may be at the risk of the lever coming to the bars.

    HH pads in a standard Nissin 2 pot caliper provide a nice upgrade to OE.
     
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  3. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    Hi,Eldon,thanks for the response.standard master cylinder is 11mm.I have fitted Sintered pads.
     
  4. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    So going from a diameter of 11mm to 14mm will push more fluid for the same stroke however, the leverage ratio will have now gone down so more force will be required. This may improve feedback if the current combination is too grabby for example.

    It all depends exactly what you're after?

    Better brakes is a very ambiguous term and everything is a compromise.

    Think the above through and try to describe, as specific as you can, what you want to actually achieve?
     
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  5. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    Hi Eldon,after consideration i think i will settle for what i have,so the T595 master cylinder and the repair kit will go on hold.Thanks again.OApete.UK

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  6. Eldon

    Eldon Elite Member

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    So is it a straight fit from the older CB1000R abs model?

    Here's mine from 7 years or so ago.

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  7. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    hi again,yes straight fit with the standard disc.
     
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  9. RevPaul

    RevPaul Senior Member

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    I'd be really interested to know how you get on with the conversion, as @Eldon has suggested what has changed in lever travel, sense of bite etc..

    I've bought the same (along with some EBC FA388 Organic pads) but I've not got round to fitting them yet (garage still too cold).

    As @Eldon has said brake feel is subjective, but I find my Street Cup's front brake rather vague and feels like it requires a lot of squeeze to get the retardation I'm looking for, and yet the rear brake is much better, so much so I find myself relying on it to make up for what's not happening up front (often using it more he brakes as standard).

    I'm used to front brakes that only require two fingers on the brake and that certainly isn't true of Triumph's standard set up.
     
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  10. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    Hi Paul, I have successfully fitted the caliper to my street twin and its an improvement,as the rear brake is so good i find myself using it more than i have on other bikes.I also use two fingers for braking but using the rear more stabilizes things better.I will try the T595 master cylinder at 14mm to see i may prefer that. OApete.Essex.
     
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  11. RevPaul

    RevPaul Senior Member

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    Do the brake levers now come closer to the grips for the same stopping power as @Eldon has suggested might happen?

    And if/when you fit the T595 master cylinder, please could you give a part number for it and show us a picture of the set up at the bars?
     
  12. ivenoidea

    ivenoidea Member

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    Hi again,this is the info on the 3 pot Nissin caliper,i requested confirmation earlier.I hope it helps ? Pete.
    Hi again,to me its a better initial bite,not fierce but stronger though the lever feels the same travel,part of why i want to try the T595 master cylinder.Not sure about a part number though ? I simply searched e-bay and came across a few used so i opted for one of those.Obviously there will be a part no but i have not looked for one.As i said though the brake is very good used as it should be in conjunction with the rear.I also use short folding levers.Adjustment is better i reckon.Pete.

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  13. beerkat

    beerkat Senior Member

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    After reading through this thread am I correct in assuming the front 3-pot calliper from a Honda CB1000R is the same as fitted to the Bonneville Scrambler? Therefore either is a direct fit on the Street Twin (or Street Cup)?
    I'm asking because a used CB1000R calliper might be a bit cheaper than a brand new Scrambler calliper imported from Italy.

    RevPaul, when you get round to fitting the 3-pot please let me (us) know your opinion. Perhaps you could put on an extra pair of thermals and get in that garage soon, before I forget all about this potential upgrade, which tends to happen at my age :laughing:
     
  14. Eldon

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    @beerkat be aware the older CB1000R was offered with two different front brake setups.
    Without abs and with.

    Without abs - radial calipers were fitted with m10 bolts but I can't remember the manufacturer. Looking at owners viewpoints as I used to be on a Honda forum, these were the inferior option quality wise.

    With abs - these are what we are interested in here and were made by Nissin. These were not radially mounted and held by m8 bolts..

    On a fairly recent search a nice pair :yum ........were going for £450 secondhand :eek:
     
  15. Pegscraper

    Pegscraper Elite Member

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    The switch to a 4 pot Brembo front caliper from 2019> on the ST and SS was accompanied by a larger 12.7mm master cylinder. Can't comment on the braking performance of earlier bikes but you can practically stand the thing on it's nose using two fingers with the Brembo setup.
     
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