Speed Triple Or Street Triple 765 Rs?

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  1. waynecoluk

    waynecoluk New Member

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    I'm going to be changing my Street Triple on a 2013 plate in the next few months and want to upgrade preferably to a super naked.
    I love the look of the Speed Triple but have noticed that when both the Speed and Street 765 RS have been dynoed they both have virtually the same bhp at the back wheel. Yes, the Speed has a lot more torque but then the RS is a lot lighter.
    Has any got a comparison of both? Ridden both? Is there a big difference between the two?
    Will the new 765RS feel too similar to my 2013 Street Triple?
    I am currently working in the middle of the North Sea so cant go and test ride anything for at least a week but will hopefully be riding both when I return home.
    Any comments or advice would be appreciated.
    Cheers
    Wayne
     
  2. Rich Bryce

    Rich Bryce Dead Eye Dick

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    Hi Wayne. The Street has a slight advantage in power to weight ratio, so Speedy aficionados ain't happy, hence strong rumours of an upgrade next year. As a track bike, or for burning with your mates on their kilo sports bikes you'd probably go for the Speed. For all round ability and agility you'd want the Street.
     
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  3. tcbandituk

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    I'd actually have said the opposite.
    Having ridden them back to back, I went for a Speed and the more flexible engine for the road, but I'd love to have a Street RS for trackdays.
     
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  4. Rich Bryce

    Rich Bryce Dead Eye Dick

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    There ya go. Put two bikers in a room and you'll get three opinions. ;)
     
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  6. Rich Bryce

    Rich Bryce Dead Eye Dick

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    Btw, a bloke I know just picked up a new Street this week with a Yoshimuro exhaust. Blimey, what a noise, baffle out. Much better than the V&H.
     
  7. Callumity

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    It is conspicuous that in all markets outside India it is the Street RS that has been provided to journalists with an on-road taster then much track time. The torque figures suggest the R is much the better road bike with less peaky engine characteristics and a more tractable nature. It might have fewer peak bhp but is a better - and more affordable - comparator (with a tad less profit for Triumph!) for mere mortals.
     
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  8. Moe

    Moe Well-Known Member

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    Hi Wayne, I had this dilemma a few months ago, went to triumph and they basically through the rs keys at me. Tried it loved it.....BUT if you've already got the current street I wouldn't advise going for it again, I didn't notice much of a difference from riding the 675 to the 765 back to back (rode my mates 675 straight after). With the speed there's much more flexibility, picks up in almost any gear and not have to rev the nuts off it get a massive grin.

    Best would be to ride them back to back and make your own conclusion.

    I'd go for the street maybe in a couple of years as a second bike (if the Mrs allows it!) It's light and flickable!
     
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  9. waynecoluk

    waynecoluk New Member

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    Cheers guys. I'm going to ring the Triumph dealer in Watton when I get home and make sure they have them both there and I'll ride them back to back, plus I'll go on my current Street Triple to see what the differences are.
    I don't want to be buying a Speed if they bring a new one out new Year though, that would piss me off big time and wouldn't do great for the residuals.
     
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  10. Callumity

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    Pick up a 25 kg bag of spuds. The Speed is about 35kg heavier than the Street. The Street R produces 77nm of torque (same as the RS) but at 1400 rpm less and with a few less ponies at the top end - about 10% up on the 675. The Speed produces about 111nm of torque at less revs still. The Speed will always win a 'wind on the power' comparison but for 80% of your riding it will be ergonomics and agility than will be the clincher. Only you can decide. With maturity I have discovered going large or magnum is often the wrong choice!!
     
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  11. IrishMonkey

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    Hi Wayne , I test rode a 765 street triple and didn't see much difference in power to the 675 RX which I owned , There is a massive power difference between the 765 and the 1050 . I now own the new version of Speed triple 1050 R , with its Ohlins alone it is the best bike I have ever had and rider aids like abs and control over back wheel spin , slipper clutch it is a formidable machine. Power is on tap all the time and the torque is just where you need it for road use . My only complaint is that the fly screen is at an acute angle and directs the wind right under my helmet which makes it hard on the neck muscles , but that only happens at speeds that are illegal on the U.K roads . I am not sure that an after market screen would help much .
     
  12. Richard H

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    I owned a 2012 Speed for a couple of years. Test rode the 765RS when it first came out. I thought the RS was just more fun to ride, lighter and handled better.
    In the end I moved onto an MT10, didn't intend to......just booked a test ride to see how much quicker it felt than the Triumphs. Was completely hooked from that moment.
    Triumph need a new power plant for the Speed in my opinion.
     
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  13. Angus

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    Very interesting conversation guys.. I too have been pondering about this for a while now and I am eager to test ride the new street. I love my speed and don't think I would easily part with it unless it's for another newer model of the same. Having owned a few smaller bikes that is lighter I do miss the flick ability smaller bikes offer. I often see street triples in peak traffic and it looks like no effort as they sail trough the traffic. Don't get me wrong I see big cc bikes do the same but the smaller one's just seem to be better at it. As a second bike I would like one... then wouldn't most ! Please let us know your thoughts after your test ride Wayne!
     
  14. May or may not be relevant - but how big are you?
    At over 6' and maybe 200lbs (!) I found the Street just felt too dinky!
     
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  15. waynecoluk

    waynecoluk New Member

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    I'm 5ft 10 and weigh about 13 stone. My current street triple feels pretty good size wise.
    The more I read about the new 765RS the more it sounds like a naked sports bike. ie most of the power at the top end. I'm definitely edging towards a super naked due to the low down grunt and all round performance.
    I'm thinking it will probably be between the Speed Triple R and the MT10.
    I'm back home tomorrow from offshore so the test riding will start there to see which one I prefer.
     
  16. IrishMonkey

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    bikIn summary the speed triple is the .
    The speed triple R boast Ohlins and Brembos over the MT10 , the torque is in a very convenient range on the Triumph. Until I had the speed triple I just thought that Ohlins and Brembos were an expensive gimmick . Not so they are awesome and far superior to nissin stock brakes. The MT10 SP betters the suspension with automatic Ohlins but it is expensive and if I had the money to spend on the MT10 SP I would buy the Arillia tuono factory.
    The ordinary MT10 has ordinary brakes and suspension.
    The BMW S1000R - S is an awesome bike with BMW auto suspension and brembos but the triumph leaves it standing because the torque is in a more useable lower range.
     
  17. Wallcrawler

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    This is a terrible predicament, you're going to have to make a tough decision. I personally own a well tricked out 2005 Speed and a minimally modified 2010 Street R. I test rode both 2017 Speed R and Street RS and would take the RS every time. My primary issue with the latest Speed is the throttle by wire felt terrible! It made the bike feel twitchy on and off throttle mid corner and also gave it a neutered feeling with the traction aids. I do not notice this on my Thruxton R nor did I notice it on the Street RS. Admittedly, I'm comparing it back to back with my dyno tuned and nicely sorted Speed which is essentially the same engine no matter what Triumph say they have changed.
     
  18. IrishMonkey

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    That's a strange one the ride by wire is on both bikes . I have not noticed a problem with the throttle . I like the traction mode because it gives me confidence on the throttle out of a bend and the bike doesn't fell numb at all , it just catapults out of a bend with all the usable power going through the back wheel. ( I once binned a fireblade on a trackday because the back wheel spun up , that was an expensive mistake ) . The traction control and ABS sensitivity can be turned down or off in the customisation rider modes
     
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  19. tcbandituk

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    If you have the suspension a bit too stiff, it can make the RBW feel twitchy.
    I don't have the problem on the Speed, but the 2016 Tiger Sport I had last year was set up too stiff and the response felt jerky, once I softened the front end a tad to ride the bumps better, it was fine and it is a much better throttle response than the previous years TS.
     
  20. Bad Billy

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    Wow! Plenty of opinions, enough to fry your brain!
    For what it is worth, I owned a Speed 955 and loved it, a street 675R and couldn't believe how brilliant it was, so when upgrading I tried the Speed 2017 1050R & the new street 765RS, I went for the RS and have not regretted it one bit.
    Reason for my decision was mainly down to the gearbox and the light clutch action, although the tart in me also was heavily influenced by the dash on the RS. I wouldn't say that it lacks low down grunt but it is all relative as I tend to ride in 'track' mode most of the time as I love the screaming top end rush. When you consider the power the RS puts out equals what litre bikes I was riding in the 90's with a tighter more usable chassis it is pretty much perfect for me.
    My advise, ride as many different makes and models as you're interested in, if possible on the same test route and go with your gut feeling, it's rarely wrong!
     
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