Royal Enfields From India, Anyone Had One? Any Good?

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  1. MartyWilson

    MartyWilson Senior Member

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    They were around until I started talking about them @Tiglet and then they disappeared. Doble Honda had one for a little over three and a half thousand with two thou on the clocks but it's gone and I have seen others for similar money but, as I have been swithering and dithering over whether it's truly what I want or not they have all disappeared. The red framed models are clearly less desirable and are moving much more slowly but I don't like red. I am still not absolutely certain as I like the 'military' versions of the Classic and the standard classic too and could see one of those with knobblies being just as serviceable. From what I understand the hybrid tyres, upswept exhaust and slightly more swing arm travel are pretty much all the actual 'trials' mods on the Johnny Brittain model.
     
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  3. Tiglet

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    If you snooze you loose Marty ;):laughing:

    If your unsure then is it the bike for you or just a wim :worried:

    I would imagine that the original JB bike would have had a few secret mods,frame/suspension/engine that only the factory bike had :rolleyes:
     
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  4. MartyWilson

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    That is the problem @Tiglet I have a desire (or is it a whim?) to go exploring the local forestry roads up and down the mountains around here but I do wonder if I will actually do it or not or am I just kidding myself as an excuse to get another bike. I would like something that can take a bit of abuse that I can take out in bad weather and potter about without worrying too much about binning it but I object to paying a lot of cash (there was a Yamaha DT250 for sale the other day and the fella was asking five grand!) for a beat up Jap trail bike with unknown history and quite frankly ugly/utilitarian styling when I can buy a new/near new cute as all hell fiftie's lookalike for little more money. Even if I didn't actually go off road I would still love to have a bike that has those classic Brit looks.
     
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  5. Don the Don

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    eight pages Marty, you still thinking, I think your last post answered it for you, you sound like you really won't one go for it if the itch is getting too much, bite the bullet [sorry about that] you could always sell it if it does not measure up, or better still try and get a road test to reach a final verdict.
     
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  6. cliverdee

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    If you bought an Enfield we’d all be delighted to learn how you got on with it... I love the looks but would doubt I’d own even a new one because I wouldn’t trust their build quality & reliability... however as this is a Triumph forum we out to be all saying “Buy a Triumph”.... not to put a dampener on the fun of deliberating over a new bike of course... motorbikes must be fun and mustn’t become a stress !
     
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  7. half ton

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    I think a lot of the second hand ones have gone because the dealers are getting rid of the demonstrators as the 500 is soon to be obsolete. It is going to get a lot harder to find one by the end of this year
     
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  8. Alatamoc

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    I've found the same. They've all disappeared.. except the red frame ones...and everyone knows those are slower and less reliable than the green frames.
    I'm wrestling with a dilemma....One if my bikes would need to go.
    It can't be the thunderbird 1600 as SHE likes it. That leaves the Tiger955i with all the hard work and desirable mods I've done to it...or my recently acquired 865 Speedmaster that I'm still bringing up to my high standards.
    Problems problems.....
     
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  9. MartyWilson

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    #149 MartyWilson, Aug 1, 2020 at 8:58 PM
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    @cliverdee I am a little peeved that Triumph don't produce something that would fit the bill. They are really missing a trick in my view as they seem to be running down the 'classics'. Even their 1200 Scrambler, Thruxton and Speed Twin are moving away from that classic style which is really what Triumph is all about in my book.

    The tigers are a case in point. The originals were a pretty unusual looking bike, yes they were in the vein of an Africa Twin, Tuareg etc. but they were different enough to stand out. I was out yesterday (I have to admit I was piloting the cage as chauffeur to the little lady) and there were hundreds of 'adventure' bikes out and, you know, I am sure they were from different makers as the riders were often clad in clothing with big 'K's and other brands on them but they all essentially looked like the same clumps of this and that atop two wheels. No individuality , cohesion or style about the design.

    Why didn't Triumph bring out a proper more light weight true off-road bike? I mean there was a ready made name for it - 'Tiger Cub'!

    What changed with Triumph? From the early nineties into the 2000's their designs have been sublime and individual. They are not easily mistaken for anyone else's product whether it was Streetfighter, tourer, classic, or Adventure but, since then they seem to have lost all their 'fizz' and become pretty much like all the others apart from the Bonnie's and I wonder how much longer the T100 and T120 will stay in the line-up.

    I don't want to offend anyone and this is solely my own personal Opinions. To me the Speed Twin has a late 70's early 80's Yamaha or Kawasaki muscle bike thing going on, the modern tigers look messy, the 1200 Scramblers are like some 250 1990's scrambler that's been at the steroids and the others are just too 'Harley' for me. In my defence here I am a weirdo who is never 'with the times' so my opinions probably don't conform to the 'real world' whatever that is. :)
     
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    I know what you mean about Jap 2 strokes as I’ve been a member of the Yamaha RD Club and forum and own a 250.

    The only 2T that I would consider at this moment would be a Suzuki T500 but the way the price of Jap 2 strokes have gone is silly. Not many bargains to be had these days I’m afraid.
     
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    I bought a new RE interceptor 650 a couple of months ago and I have to admit the build quality is not that of Triumph (I have a couple of triumphs in my garage). Having said that imo based on a couple of months ownership the RE quality is perfectably acceptable given the price and more importantly the bike rides as good as the street twin which is it's main competitor in the market. And yes I have owned both bikes.
    As with any bike with lots of chrome and alloy parts they need to be looked after. this is true for triumphs and royal enfields. Just saying :):)
     
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  12. Alatamoc

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    I'm with you on that too.
    I hate hate hate bikes with pointy jagged styling ...look so ugly.
    A good friend of mine runs a tiger 800 and off roads it a lot...does the job reasonably well but I want to kick it every time I walk past it.
     
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    Met up with my riding buddy just after 0800 hrs this morning and it was then a ride to the breakfast stop before they got busy.
    He turned up on this 440 single,cheap as chips to buy,easy maintenance especially the valve adjustment (screw and locknut) on the Chinese engine. Averaged 60mph no problem.
    As he says if it falls apart in a few years nothing lost,,,,,did I say they’re as chip as chips to buy.

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    Dont know if its the same company or someone has bought the name and rights but SWM were making trials bike in the 80s for the clubmen , i dont think they were ever going to challenge the like of Fantic for world titles but they seemed to be good , solid and relatively competitive club bikes
     
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    Correct, SWM made a good trials bike back then, saw a few lads on then as I was competing in trials at that time on a Fantic.
     
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    SWM, Same Company resurrected made in Italy with Chinese funding, on the smaller models they use a ex XL engine that is used by a dozen different marks, the engine in the SWM above is the same as the Mash and Jawa, Herald, and other bikes.

    As your mate says @Tiglet if it falls apart in years to come so be it what we called condom bikes Buy them use them and throw them away, but that SWM has a good pedigree what with stainless exhaust and other well made parts, ideal for country lanes.
     
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  17. MartyWilson

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    Ah, same engine as the Mash? I thought it looked like a Honda XBR500 unit. I guess they must have managed to make it a bit larger capacity. I gather Mash downscaled the engine to 400cc but were trying to go up to 500cc and, for some reason couldn't do it which is why they have the very odd situation of having a 400cc bike called the Mash Five Hundred! :grinning:
     
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    Just glanced at Fleabay and the SWM's are no cheaper than the Enfield's. When y'all mentioned their 'disposability' I thought they were going to be ridiculously cheap :sob:
     
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  19. Don the Don

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    The Enfield is you Marty,
     
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  20. MartyWilson

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    Well I am getting very, very, very close to spending some moolah on an Enfield Trials as there is simply nothing else really worth taking a pop at on the market. Boy have bikes changed while I was away. Some very freaky and uncomfortable looking machines around and all the 'standard' styles of the 80's and 90's seem to have largely disappeared. The image I am getting is that the Chinese stuff is an unknown quantity, might last forever or might explode tomorrow and I have no idea what the spares situation is like as, while they are 'based' on a good(ish) honda unit (If I remember rightly the XBR500 unit wasn't considered really any more than OK) I am guessing, that doesn't mean they are neccessarily as robust or durable and, anyway their prices are not really low enough to make them really worth the risk. I was tempted by the Triumph Scramble but I do tend to think that, while it might do OK in the scrambler role and I could get one for a couple of hundred more than a brand new Enfield Trials, it is probably really only a scrambler in name only. That's not to say that the Enfield Trials is a genuine scrambler either but I reckon it probably will potter up and down forestry roads fairly well and does 'look the part' of a classic Scrambler much better than the Triumph. It may be just my aging and jaded eyes but the Triumph looks far too chunky and bulky to be taken seriously in the role of off-roader. I feel that it's kind of 'neither here nor there' and like someone has bastardised a road going Bonnie for no good reason.

    Next thing I have to wrestle with is - Would I be able to live with a red frame in order to buy a Royal Enfield Trials (ex-demo with only 57 miles on the clock) at £3850 saving £850 on the Brand New 'OTR' price that I would probably have to pay for a green one?
     
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