Master cylinder not pumping.

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by MrOrange, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. TonyG

    TonyG Noble Member

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    I should add I was using new banjo washers each time, all from the same supplier, they needed annealing from new.
     
  2. old git

    old git Well-Known Member

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    Another possibility assuming you don't have opposing pistons in your caliper is that the sliding portion of the CALIPER is sticking. I.E.. when you pump the lever the piston pushes it's pad and pulls the opposite pad onto the disc via the sliding part of the caliper. If the sliding part of the caliper is sticking it can spring back as soon as the lever is released giving the impression that there's air in the system or that the master cylinder is faulty. I would check this out before stripping the master cylinder. Hope this makes sense ☺
     
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  3. MrOrange

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    Caliper all good, was cleaned and serviced, as I always do yearly / new pads, which ever comes first. Caliper not even attach to the bike, hanging free, with block of wood to keep pistons from moving.
     
  4. old git

    old git Well-Known Member

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    I'm out of ideas :(. You could always buy a Yamaha ;)
     
  5. MrOrange

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    I'll let you know when I've solved it, just not had time. :D
     
  6. capt

    capt Elite Member

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    Thats what I said in 10 words or less
     
  7. Tiglet

    Tiglet Vintage Member

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    I don't believe it :eek::eek::eek:

    Took off all of the calipers today, one at a time, brake lines still attached, to clean the pistons and pads.
    Cleaned the pistons using clean cloths and plenty of brake cleaner, pushed the pistons into the caliper to refit back onto the bike.
    Calipers and pads refitted and now very little if any pressure at the brake lever :mad::mad::mad:.

    Done this routine maintenance job many times and also do it when I replace the tyres and never had this problem before.

    Just got the vac pump out to bleed the brakes and realised I've got no fresh dot 4 fluid, so off to Staffordshire Triumph tomorrow morning to purchase some and whilst there I'll ask Paddy the service manager if they've come across this problem before.

    Just hope it's a brake bleeding exercise and it's not the abs module :eek::(

    They say things come in 3's so that's Mr O and myself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,who's going to be number 3 :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Dougie D

    Dougie D Crème de la Crème

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    there must be something in the air!;)
     
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  9. MrOrange

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    Doesn't matter if it is or isn't, caliper i
    Bloody Annoying, isn't it !!!:mad:

    Interested in what they have to sayo_O
     
  10. Tiglet

    Tiglet Vintage Member

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    I'll let you know what they say Ron and how I go on when I bleed the tigers system tomorrow.
     
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  11. Tiglet

    Tiglet Vintage Member

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    Ok then, front brake bled and now pressure at the lever :)

    Would have completed the job sooner if I could have found the correct 90 degree elbow that fits onto the bleed nipple sooner :rolleyes:

    I asked at Staff Triumph today when I went for some fresh brake fluid if they have had come across this problem before and they hadn't.
    They asked the usual questions, is there a leak anywhere on the system or did the pistons pop out whilst I was cleaning them etc. The answer was no their questions.

    Going to take the bike out down the road to test the brakes, hopefully everything will be ok.

    Ron,,,,,,,get them bled mate
     
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  12. Tiglet

    Tiglet Vintage Member

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    Brakes road tested and all OK :):)
     
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  13. WesSmith

    WesSmith Well-Known Member

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    If unable to be pressure, try reverse bleeding by syringing fluid in calliper up to master cylinder, and/or crack seal of brake pipe out of master cylinder to bleed out any air.
     
  14. capt

    capt Elite Member

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    Mr Orange,
    There must be a sticky piston in your brake caliper, lightly lube it and work it back and forth then try bleeding again.

    Bleed by pumping the lever slowly, it may take several top ups of master cylinder before the air is moved/bled out ...! Regardless of whether you see any air coming out of the bleed nipple, open nipple - squeeze - close nipple before lever hits the stop ...! Release lever slowly...!
     
  15. MrOrange

    MrOrange Guest

    Done it, what a absolutely fecking feckin fecker of a job.
    Totally stripped everything, including master cylinder piston out, and reassembled.
    Eventually did it by pumping pistons out, then pushing them back in with the bleed nipple open.

    Thanks for all the input guys, may be of use to others in the same situation.

    I will never just push pistons back in again, will always crack the nipple open and refill reservoir. Always.
     
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  16. old git

    old git Well-Known Member

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    Looks like you've just been a victim of sods law. Great to hear that you got it sorted
     
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  17. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Unheard of Member

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    So what was found?
     
  18. MrOrange

    MrOrange Guest

    Nothing!!!! :mad:

    But couldn't get it to bleed, so stripped and a refill worked. Whatever went wrong was sorted, still don't understand how pushing pistons back in can feck it up???? o_O

    S'all good now:cool:
     
  19. MrOrange

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    EBS HH pads have some bite to them! :D
     
  20. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    Glad it's sorted, the only thing I can think is that the reservoir filler cap has still been on when you have pushed the pistons back and it has created a vacuum within the system causing an airlock.
     
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