Let's Start At The Beginning, As It's A Very Good Place To Start

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  1. BZFMIII`

    BZFMIII` New Member

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    Hello All
    Thanks for the warm (and very funny) welcome.
    Based upon this I thought i'd get to the point of joining here.

    In short, I'm looking to buy a Bobber Black. I've a dealership (Jack Lilley - Romford) that is local.
    I've got a quote for insurance

    Having never purchased from a dealer, what I'm looking for is tips on what I can expect to push for in a deal.
    I'm more biased towards accesories/service that saving some cash - I've budgeted for the list price but wanted to throw it out there to see what the best approach could be.

    Hope this makes sense

    TIA
     
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  2. Duckadiledundee

    Duckadiledundee Peasant First Class
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    I'm a peasant and the wife tells me what I'm allowed to do so you would have to ask her about it...
    Unfortunately she is out at the moment along with the cat but when I hear her broomstick pull up outside I shall ask her for you..:p
     
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  3. dilligaf

    dilligaf GrrrR3Rrrr
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    Hi mate and welcome
     
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  4. joe mc donald

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    Welcome to the family. See you got all the good answers already. Like that here in the asylum. Well you are buying at the right time as dealers are desperate to make money. Bikers are staying away and worried about the future. So it's a buyers marker. The bike choice is a good one. Just now tell them what you want and how much you are willing to pay and I am positive you will walk away smiling. Always good to play them against each other so phone Bulldog and Ashford Lilleys to gather some ammo.
    Regards
    Joe.
     
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  5. Duckadiledundee

    Duckadiledundee Peasant First Class
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    It's a good job your here joe to put a sensible well thought out strategy to new members to counterbalance some of the ridiculous posts some forum members may be inclined to post :p
     
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  6. Tigcraft

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    Welcome in to the madhouse
     
  7. Dozers Dad

    Dozers Dad Bushmills Chief Quality Controller
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    Hi Mate,

    You "might" not be able to knock anything off the bike itself. But there's every chance of free riding gear or/& a service bundle deal.
    If Jack Lilley are still open. Give it another 2 or 3 weeks. By then they might be up for any deal you suggest!
     
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  8. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Just got two points to offer BZFMlll:

    1. lARGE CAPACITY BIKES sales are down significantly, worldwide;

    2. With this COVID19 thing, nobody is buying anything they don't really need right now.

    This means that, despite what your dealer might tell you, they are GAGGIN' for your money, especially if you want something they have in stock.

    Do a bit of phoning around to find out who has got what, in stock. Don't try and negotiate over the phone; if you are allowed to go and visit the dealers and negotiate face to face.

    Always, always, be prepared to walk away. They need you more than you need them.

    I'll never forget when I was on a 4x4 trip in Morocco with DD a few years ago and we were negotiating with a local to buy some coloured rocks. We walked away, he followed with a better offer, we got back into the car - better offer, started the engine - better offer, started to drive away - the best offer and a sale !!!

    Take care all, we're on total lock-down here. Have to stay indoors, if I need to walk the dogs I have to have a signed document with me.

    Happy days eh ?

    Dave
     
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  9. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else
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    Jack Lilley is shut I'm afraid as are all bike showrooms. Just the servicing departments open for now
     
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  10. BZFMIII`

    BZFMIII` New Member

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    Thanks again chaps - Great advice. I'll be phoning round a few when things are a little more standard to see how the land lies
    I'll probably go for the clothing/accesories approach as I think I should have better purchase (pun intended) there

    One general query; if a dealer doesn't have stock, but the deal is pretty good, is there a generic lead time around delivery?
    (due to the current conditions I respect the fact that it may take longer for manufactures to get up to speed)
    What I don't want to happen is to get an unrealistic delivery time just to make the sal;e and I'm waiting around twice that long

    "now my next question is around helmets...."
     
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  11. littleade

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    Welcome in. As above it'll be a buyers market once the showrooms reopen as they will be desperate to catch up on lost sales. The end of the month/end of the quarter is the best time to buy when they're chasing targets imposed on them by Triumph. Most dealers will include at least the labour in the 1st service if negotiated before the sale and if they have 1 in stock they will want to sell it ASAP as they only have a certain time before they have to pay Triumph for it. You can do it a number of ways. 1st it to tell them what you're prepared to pay, the other is to play 1 off against another. I'd ring a few dealers and if they're a distance ask them for a price inc delivery then go to Lillies ask them what they'll do 1 for and if it's higher then play your card and say beat this or I'll buy it from there. The trick is to be pleasant at all times but firm with the salesman, tell them you are a serious buyer and will sign if the deal is right for you and if you don't like the deal tell them, leave your number and walk away. With no trade in you should easily get between 5 and 10% off the list price.
     
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  12. littleade

    littleade The only sane one here
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    If you're desperate to buy Triumph branded clothing look on the Triumph factory outlet first. In general their stuff is well made but IMO at retail it's over priced so personally I'd get my kit from somewhere like Sportsbikeshop as they have excellent customer service. Helmets...the most important thing is to get 1 that fits as different makes suit different shaped heads. Try the above and Helmet City. If you let us know roughly what you want others will be able to give you more specific advice. As my previous post you'll probably do better on the price of the bike and use your cash saving on that to buy kit elsewhere, by all means try for some free accessories and see what they'll do kit wise but don't limit yourself to buying everything from them. If you can get to some bike clothing shops try stuff on so you have an idea before you visit the dealers. Oh and make sure you get a test ride on a demonstrator before you commit to buy to make sure the BB is what you're after
     
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  13. BZFMIII`

    BZFMIII` New Member

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    Hi Littleade
    Fair point re demo ride:
    I had a demo ride when I was in Norfolk around 6-odd months ago and thought that if I still want it in 6 months then that'll be the bike for me

    I still want it :-D

    I'm far from the branded only approach re clothing. I did like the look of the Raven 2 jacket but had a good look in the Bike Shed and Urban Rider to get a good feel for what I'd be comforatble with

    I'm looking at the best bang for the buck, so as mentioned before, I'll trawl a few dealers to see how the land lies
     
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  14. Repooh

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    The dealer from whom I purchased my Scrambler 1200 sent me their paperwork which showed their buy price. I was surprised to see how much they make, more than I thought. You have al the advice, for me I went with a stock bike, rang round and got lucky. As for clothing, buy cheap buy twice, the Bobber is cool so a nice Segura or Goldtop leather jacket. For crappy weather I have a Triumph Malvern Goretex (on sale right now) and its great, not normally a fan of manufacturers branded clothing but in this instance a third of the price of Rev-It Goretex. If you've not been a trip to Motolegends (Guildford) is worth it, a tad snooty maybe but top quality stuff, great service and not overpriced, kind of the John Lewis of biking stuff.

    Enjoy
     
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  15. BZFMIII`

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    Thanks Repooh,
    The Goldtop '75 Lancer looks epic
     
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  16. Repooh

    Repooh Rarely Satisfied
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    My nephew has the 76 in brown and its cracking
     
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  17. Wessa

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    Hi and welcome.....
     
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  18. Dartplayer

    Dartplayer Crème de la Crème

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    Hi BZFMIII and welcome to the forum :cool:
     
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    Hello and welcome to the forum :)
     
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