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  1. John T

    John T Senior Member
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    There seems to be much doom and gloom about the Bonnevilles and Triumph in general and a perception that the quality of their bikes is going down.
    Tales of corrosion and recalls abound,people are changing their minds on buying the bikes and considering other manufacturers
    But is it all bad ?
    Yes theres been a few guys with corrosion problems but I think they've mostly been sorted if not perhaps as efficiently as they could have been by some dealers or sometimes Triumph themselves. I can only repeat that to date not one bike in the Bonneville /Street twin/Thruxton has been brought back to Newcastle Triumph dealership with corrosion problems since the launch.
    There's Been 2 recalls on the Bonnevilles both minor and easily sorted.
    The same dealer also supplies Hondas and there been plenty recalls for those bikes in the same period including the new Africa twin and problems across the range have been minor through to new crankshafts driveshafts etc etc
    I'm not blind to Triumph's problems simply just trying to get some perspective on the situation.most of the main manufacturers build at least components if not full bikes in some of the cheap labour far east countries. Even mighty BMW reportedly have a lot of warranty issues on their German built bikes. There's no doubt the ever growing perceived need to be more and more efficient and technically advanced, pushed ever onwards by a combination of customer, press and regulation must sometimes stretch these manufacturers to the limit at times.
    Also just think of the carmakers and how many high profile recalls they have or some of the watchdog type stories that emerge about problems they hope will go away.
    The bonneville I proudly own is one of the best bikes I've ridden and yes I think I've improved it further with the aftermarket additions I've added,certainly it suits me even more. some folk say you shouldn't have to consider changing bits but that one of the joys of bikes..making them your own !
    Am I a lone voice or do others love the the Bonnie as I do ?
     
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  2. Bonzo

    Bonzo Well-Known Member
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    I'm with ya John.

    I bloody love my Thrux R.
     
  3. Privateer

    Privateer A legend in his own mind.

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    +1 for lovin' our Triumphs. My last bike was a B*W tourer that cost double what my Street Twin cost. It had loads of recalls, for paint peeling off, shaft drive housing in danger of collapsing, fuel leaks from fuel injection, the list goes on. I still thought it was a great bike. But I just love my little street twin. Got it in November, and have ridden it on many salty, cold days. No signs of any corrosion, heated grips perfect, so much fun to ride, and in my eyes bleeding' gorgeous.
    :)
     
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  4. Penelope

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    I've got a new T120Black on order and I've been getting a bit worried about the quality issues that have been raised recently, but your post has helped to allay some of my fears. Thank you!
     
  5. andyc1

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    Personally I think the quality of modern triumphs is right up there with the best of them! I think what happens is when someone has a problem they tend to post it and complain about it. You rarely get people posting about how my bike is fine and have had no issues. Therefore you only hear bad things! Out of the 6 or 7 triumphs I've owned the one and only problem I ever had was a wobbly mirror on the daytona wich the dealer put right in a matter on minutes. Ask a bmw rider (or driver) how many warranty claims or recalls the average bike gets!
     
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  6. Penelope

    Penelope Member

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    Yes, very good point Andy, thank you. Nothing will put me off getting the T120, I'm sure, and I'm sure you're right about the bad things being posted and not enough of the good. Your post is very positive which is great! Cheers. Pen.
     
  7. andyc1

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    You wont regret it Pen, lovely bike and a fabulous engine!
     
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  8. Rich Bryce

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    Hmm! Wasn't aware there was any kerfuffle about quality and corrosion on the latest bikes. I've a 2016 Street Twin and a 2015 Tiger 800, both recent purchases that'll be parked outside under Oxford Aquatex covers when not being ridden. I'll let you know, but don't expect anything out of the ordinary for bikes that get hosed down after winter rides once they've cooled off with a good dosing of FS365 afterwards.
     
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  9. Tricolore

    Tricolore Active Member
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    As long as the dealer recognises there's a problem and deals with it I don't have any issue with these niggles, it's when you're fobbed off with excuses and lengthy delays get my back up. I've had excellent service from my dealer and they've dealt with everything with no delays.

    I'm with Bonzo, I love my R and I forgive it for the 'new model' teething problems. I wouldn't swap it for anything else on the market.

    I think some of the problems with the finish on the wheels, spokes, casings and throttle bodies is some of the cleaning products we use, just some water and a microfibres cloth is all I use.
     
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  10. Bikerman

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    Very good points there if you don't mind me saying so.
    I too had a BMW R1150 GS, what a pile of junk it was too. Paint coming off the tank and terrible corrosion as well.
    My 95 Thunderbird still doesn't look its age when it's all been polished up, and the spokes are like new on it.
    But as you said all bikes hit some trouble now and again.
     
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  11. old git

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    I would agree that the T120 is a great bike but after a lifetime of Japanese quality I find what Triumph have given us in the T120 range just isn't good enough. Take the corrosion, I have had slight corrosion on spokes and wheels that I've sorted for the time being using ACF50. Since I've done this it's sat in my heated shed. My 8 year old Yamaha, apart from using ACF50 on electrical connectors gets no such treatment. I've no worries about taking that out in the rain for fear of it rusting.

    The 2 seats on my FJR1300 clip into place and after 50,000 miles have no movement. The seat on the Triumph feels like it's ready to fall off. The clocks that were replaced due to steaming up fit just as badly on the rubber mounts as the originals did.

    There are people who have experienced corrosion of other parts, it's already had a fuel pump wiring recall and it's rumoured that there will be a recall for throttle sticking.

    There are maybe some that think that all of the above are OK. I don't and I certainly won't be singing Triumphs praises.

    I will keep the T120 for the foreseeable future because it does exactly what I wanted it to do in terms of riding it, but I will never buy another Triumph. I work in manufacturing and some of the issues with the T120 are just plain sloppy.

    Penelope - Getting a new bike is great and you will love your T120. It is indeed, from a riding point of view a great bike and I love riding mine.
     
  12. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    My 2012 Bonnie EFI with cast alloy wheels is still in VG condition and I use it daily unless it drops below 2deg C or is chucking it down.
    It sleeps outside under a JDC bike cover and I spray protect it with Scottoiler FS365
    The alloy bits do quickly show signs of 'furring' if not cleaned in this weather, as do the zinc plated components, and yes I do believe the plating could be better quality.
    But if cleaned and protected regularly they are okay, a lesson I learnt from last winter.
    The new Bonnevilles are a beautifully engineered motor cycle, I would not hesitate recommending any of the models.
    It puts a smile on my face every time I ride it, and handles superbly.
    A few mods to personalise it is all part of owning a bike.
    Just be prepared to clean and polish regularly, which I generally do on a lunch time at work.
    Summary: A great bike to be proud of!

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  13. Trophy57

    Trophy57 Well-Known Member

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    Hey JohnT

    No its not all bad. Its better than it has ever been with motorcycles

    I have been riding continuously since 1974. I had a few of the old Bonneville T40V's and a 1975 Trident - now they had build issues believe me:confused: After any ride, of any distance, you would need to check nuts bolts oil leaks etc etc. My Bonneville would destroy the front mudguard stay with the vibration on a regular basis!

    I have also had a few BMW Rt's and K bikes and they all had issues, some minor and not so minor.

    The new Bonnevilles, in my opinion, are extremely well built and have high quality finishes. Sure, they are mass produced and as such there will always be issues of some kind somewhere, but compared to older motorcycles there really is no comparison.

    Everyone will have horror stories about this brand or that brand; things falling off, not fitting properly, rattling, leaking, corroding but that is the nature of mass production. All of the Japanese manufacturers, European as well, all of them, are subject to the same problems with their bikes. I am not one to worship Japanese bikes as the motorcycling nirvana.


    Just my 2c worth ( for whats it worth)

    Cheers
    Gary
     
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  14. littleade

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    Most new bikes will corrode if you don't look after them due to the acrylic paint they must now use as part of EU law. IMO the key is to keep the bike clean and treat it with either FS365 or ACF50. If you do ride in the poor weather when there's salt about it's important to wash your bike off with cold water when you get home to get rid of the salt as a minimum, but preferably follow that with a proper clean and if you use fs365 a quick reapplication before you put the bike away. That way there's nothing nasty left on the bike to eat away at it before you ride it again. Delboy's garage has a good vid on the subject;)
     
  15. Samuel F

    Samuel F Well-Known Member

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    I've never own a bike before may 2016, and my Ramona (Bonnie T100 Black) is my first bike.
    Besides the Kawa on training and licence, the T100 is the only bike I've ridden so far.
    But the babe just spent the whole damn winter under 2 tarpaulins outside, and I've seen she end up being drenched anyways after a strong rain.

    Nevertheless, with a little help from ACF 50, the bike is basically free from rust (expect the disk brakes but that was before me) and after being left in the cold for 3 months, she started Sunday like if I was riding her yesterday.

    As far as I am concerned (Then again, a newbie) The Bonneville is a comfortable, reliable, sturdy bike. I looks amazing and seems to perform quite damn well so far. I don't know if Triumph is going down, but it seems pretty high standard for me...
     
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  16. HenryII

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    I don't see the grass is greener on the japs side. But that's my opinion. I have done over 100 000 km on the classic series. Startet with a 07 Thruxton, then a couple of Scrambler's and now a T120. Never ones have I had any engine problems, I also want to flag the low cost on service. Compared to my old Ducati and Bmw GS I think Triumph is on the low cost service side.

    I have owned 2 Honda's, on NSR and one Vfr800. The Nsr had a total engine breakdown, and costed 3000 GBp to rebuild. All my years riding Triumph will not add up to that cost as a total . The VFR gearbox break down, and it was a fabrication fault. The Toyota quality is up for a debate IMO:) I have a XT 660 for use in winter and authum, and it has so must rust on it that no camera will catch it, is like trying to take a picture of a black hole :)

    But back to the rust on the spokes and instrument leak on the Bonnie. That is not good reading and I fully understand the complains here. Hope that will sort out I have notice the instrument problem and will follow it up before the warranty ends. I have not experienced the spokes corrosion and the weather is not all that sunny here in Norway.

    I will have the excuse to order a set of tubeless Alpina wheels if the corrosion starts on my Bonnie oem wheels. <
    Thinking about it, I hope they do :D
     
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  17. old git

    old git Well-Known Member

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    I normally keep my bikes for a long time and maintain them rigorously, including thorough cleaning and paint protection etc.. The bike has never been subjected to salty roads and has been washed and dried thoroughly after every dirty ride.
    The rust that showed on my spokes and wheel is not lack of care it is poor quality manufacturing processes. Anyone who would argue otherwise is simply wrong. I refer once again to my 40 year old Suzuki - it is far from concourse condition but the chrome rims and zinc plated spokes have no trace of corrosion.

    "Is it all bad?"

    No it isn't all bad but from where I'm sitting it isn't all good either.
     
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  18. littleade

    littleade The only sane one here
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    Sorry, I didn't mean to infer you don't look after your bike, it was meant more as my own personal view that the quality of modern bikes in general isn't what it was and if not kept clean all of them will succumb to the dreaded corrosion a lot more quickly that older machines. On the GS site the main thing warranty wise at the moment seems to be corrosion on either the engine, gearbox or final drive and B*W are fitting complete new ones which must be costing them a fortune. I don't know how the owners that are having this done have looked after their bikes or what percentage of bikes are having problems but as combined sales of the GSA/GS were around the 3000 mark last year in the UK and 100,000 wordwide in the last 4 years there's bound to be some that have problems. I just hope mine isn't one of them:(
     
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  19. Bonzo

    Bonzo Well-Known Member
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    Do a wheel swap with old git, Henry and then youre both sorted :)
     
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  20. Mindergaz

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    I have to agree with you there. I have used my T120 since November and have been out in some very poor conditions but I have always used lots of scotoiler 365 after each ride after a good wash with cold water to get salt off and a wash with good quality car/bike shampoo/wax before 365 is applied... I've been riding and running approx 40 bikes in me and my wife's biking career and I have to say my beautiful T120 is fab and I think the Finnish is of a very high standard . In my experience all bikes are fine if looked after, all year not just in summer, and all bikes will show signs of corrosion if we miss a little bit then put it away. I do feel for people who have experienced quality issues and that must be very annoying but that is not to say that this is a problem that will affect everyone.
    I just wanted to share my view as I was worried that a very special bike was getting a bit of a beating and I have to say mine is one of the best bikes I have owned , and as I've said I have had many in my time.
     
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