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Ecu Remap - Is It Worth It??

Discussion in 'Speed Triple' started by Dickie, Feb 11, 2018.

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  1. Richard Neale

    Richard Neale Active Member

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    That is a great improvement like 30% more torque at low revs
    I bet if feels a lot better !
    I will have to wait for my warranty to end then will definitely consider this .
     
  2. Yorkshireman

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    Why wait, apparently the map is written into the Ecu in such a way that Triumph can’t see it. :p
     
  3. Richard Neale

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    Interesting - anyone put this to the test ?
    As I have the new RS engine and already had oil leaks on it I am half expecting some warranty action.....:confused:
     
  4. Yorkshireman

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    I will be doing next week, I’m booked in for service at my local dealer. Will leave a note under the seat to inform the spanner monkey not to meddle and ask if he noticed owt different.
     
  5. Richard Neale

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    Ok will be interesting to see what the results are !
     
  6. Yorkshireman

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    So went for the service today and when I picked the bike up I was told by the service manager that because the bike has a custom fuel map there was very little they could do with the bike. (I’d recently changed the oil and air filters etc so asked them just to do an annual service, check the coolant etc). Apparently if the bike hasn’t got the most recent system upgrade they can’t even complete an autoscan and to upgrade the system means overwriting the custom fuel map! They say they’ve had six or seven updates already this year! So I said as far as I was aware the fuel map from Hilltop was written in such a way that the dealer scan couldn’t see it but they were adamant that because the bike would ask for an update in order to allow the autoscan to complete it would overwrite the Hilltop map. (Apparently they have been caught out before with a custom fuel map but were able to rescue the situation by emailing the map supplier) Anyhow, I’ll talk to Hilltop and see what they make of it all and report back.
     
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  7. littleade

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    From (the little I know) the dealer is talking bollox regarding Hilltop as Geoff told me when I had my last GS done that he leaves the standard map untouched and his work isn't a remap as such but additional software that the dealer cannot see or access so they can update the ECU without touching Geoff's work. They are probably getting confused with standard remaps that overwrite the original map where what they say would be true.

    I'll be interested to know what you find out
     
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  8. Yorkshireman

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    That’s how I understood it too Ade and that’s what I told the dealer. I’m pretty sure that they could have plugged it in and done the service as normal without disturbing the bike running the Hilltop map but I’ll speak to Geoff if I can and clarify for the sake of others who may be considering the Hilltop map but still need dealer servicing for warranty purposes. Me, I’m out of warranty and I only took it to the dealer this time to get one last stamp in the book before going the Tunecu route and doing it myself. I’m going to Belgium on it in three weeks time and just wanted that bit of piece of mind that it’s all been checked over beforehand.
     
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  9. andyc1

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    Let us know, thats what I thought too! Ive a recall ecu flash for the stalling problem (which I don't have the problem) and a hilltop remap
     
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  10. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Can’t you copy the custom map and then let them override it to do what they need to and then load your custom map back in?
     
  11. Yorkshireman

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    Apparently not. I’ve just rechecked their website and they sell it not as a remap but completely new software written into unused space in the Ecu so that the dealer can’t see it and they can do what they want in the service dept and the bike will still run the Hilltop map.
    Seems like I made the mistake of telling them the bike had a custom fuel map and they didn’t want to run the risk of overwriting it and then having to pay up to put it back on. Hey ho, it’s not going to the dealer anymore anyway.
     
  12. littleade

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    Hilltop is not a remap as such Steve, they leave the original map in place but put software in that monitors the sensors etc that somehow overrides the original map. it's all very cleaver stuff which is why I don't understand how it works in detail.....
     
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  13. Moe

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    Any update on this mate? Be interesting to know as mine is due for a service but want to get the HT map done too..thanks
     
  14. sam triple

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    lamb chops rides on you tube has just done a feature on Hilltop ,its worth a look
     
  15. Yorkshireman

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    Hi, post #31 says it all. The dealer can’t see the work Hilltop do and when they plug the bike in to the computer to update the software it has no effect on the new “map”. Just don’t tell them it’s got a custom fuel map, they’ll be reluctant to plug it in for fear of screwing it up if you do.
    Have the service done first then remap if you are still unsure but the dealer can’t see the work so nothing they do will affect it.
     
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  16. BB3Lions

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    I had my old seat Leon remapped & seat couldn't tell. It invalidates the insurance if you don't tell them, but it also pushes a premium through the roof.

    I guess it could be the same for a bike, best to keep mute & never says word.
     
  17. littleade

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    If your interested in knowing a bit more about Hilltop have a look at this from Lamb chop rides ;)

     
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  18. Moe

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    Watched that vid last night very interesting..will have to make a day of it i think
     
  19. Jai

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    Hi I am slightly confused on choice of mapping to download for my speed triple 2012 r ::
    But confused as to which one to chose::
    Be great to get some knowledge :)
    Running very rough... basically dies at the lights and everywhere else i stop.. revs hunt sometimes up to 2 & back down to 1. But currently revs are so so low at half then cuts out..... no fun at lights.... got to keep the revs up....:::
    TWO OPTIONS BELOW FROM TUNEECU::
    Speed Triple 1050 R model / From VIN # 499001 to VIN # 735437 , ABS model / Keihin ECU :::
    20521Map.hex OEM md5checksum ABS Use with Arrow slip-on. Fuel up to E25. Minimum 95 RON (89 RON/MON) fuel.
    20522Map.hex OEM md5checksum ABS Use with Arrow slip-on. Fuel up to E25. Minimum 91 RON (87 RON/MON) fuel.
     
  20. littleade

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    Looks like the difference is to allow you which fuel to use. IIRC all unleaded in the UK is 95RON so you can use that one as the 91RON map will give less gain?
     
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