Daytona Won’t Start After Side Stand Cut Out

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  1. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    The best thing for your sidestand switch is not oil which attracts dirt but silicone grease which repels water.

    Since the engine is turning over I would want to establish if I had a spark. Its absence keeps you checking electrics whereas a good spark makes fuel the more likely issue.
     
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  2. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    98 plate Daytona am I right that the crankshaft sensor is on top next to spark plugs? Disconnected from connector and measured with home meter set 2k ohms measured between all 3 prongs and getting nothing accroos any of them. Hanyes manual reckons 1.3k ohms. Does that sound right to you guys?
     
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  3. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Have spark on all 3 callumity
     
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  4. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Saga so far

    Clutch switch working, bike tries to turn when clutch lever pulled in and nothing when clutch lever is out

    Neutral light working, bike is definitely in Neutral.

    side stand switch working, tested working with ohm meter

    have spark at all 3 plugs, which are all brand new.
    Cam sensor cleaned although no idea how to test it.
    Battery charged up again.

    I’m getting close to thinking now that I may have to take it to a garage and admit defeat.
    Have ecu plugged in and check for codes unless there is anything else I can try?
     
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  5. freck

    freck Elite Member

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    Have you got a wiring diagram @2wheeler ?
    If not, I can send you a copy of the Triumph manual one if it helps.
    Crankshaft sensor is in the r/h crankcase and cable comes out at the top by the cylinder head
    It’ll be worth you getting Tuneecu if you’re going to be keeping the bike, the Windows version is free. You just need to buy a cable from Lonelec, then you can check codes, test bits and even tune it
     
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  6. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    i have a Haynes manual with diagrams. Cam sensor is top right side by plug 3. It’s 3 wire, having trying to get 12 volts between permanent and ground and trying to test voltage on switch line wire while passing metal in front of magnet lol. Cam replacement is only 20+ quid. Is it worth trying that before trying to access ecu?

    was thinking of keeping it, but the amount of trouble having with it I’m unsure now. I do like the bike, but it replaces my cbr 6 f-w that got binned. And the love ain’t the same at the moment.
    Just surprised how it started fine then after a pull away side stand cut out that was it.

    the only thing I can think of now is sparking isn’t on correct timing or the cut out did something with fuel delivery. Although when I turn ignition on, can hear the fuel pump buzz for a few seconds.

    I’ll look into the ecu hook up on line, see what’s involved. Any links to where I can buy the computer connection cable?
     
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  7. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Looked on the site. Bit unsure I’m buying right item. This is the product code LEZBTUNEECU could you double check I’m looking at right item. I’ve a 98 T595 Daytona. This lead and software is all I need?
     
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  8. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Yes it’s under seat. I’ll be running on pc with free software from that site.
    So I’ll buy that cable, down load software and cable should blog in from laptop to bike. Will read through instructions etc once lead here and software down loaded. Just wanted to be sure there’s nothing else I need to buy with that lead if using windows on laptop
     
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  9. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Yes it’s under seat. I’ll be running on pc with free software from that site.
    So I’ll buy that cable, down load software and cable should blog in from laptop to bike. Will read through instructions etc once lead here and software down loaded. Just wanted to be sure there’s nothing else I need to buy with that lead if using windows on laptop
     
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  10. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Thank you, saves money on someone telling me error codes. If I can find that out at least It’s easier for me and increase the Mellon on my neck with more knowledge lol
     
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  11. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    I have ordered it, should land Tuesday/Wednesday. Will keep you posted lol

    would you mind if I gave you message if I get a little stuck with it? If not then don’t worry, just in case I stuck and that you’ve used it before is all. I know everyone is busy
     
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  12. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    lead has arrived, loaded lead icy reader firm ware and have downloaded software from site. Battery has been on full charge for 2 days.
    So cup of tea, battery in, hook up laptop and reader and see what computer reads. Will PM if I get stuck from this point.
    Wish me luck lol
     
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  13. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Right then peeps

    got my ecu lead and laptop set up, found my fault codes

    P0113 inlet air temp sensor open circuit or short circuit to battery

    P0105 Barometric pressure sensor circuit malfunction

    P0118 coolant temperature sensor low voltage (short to ground or open circuit)

    no idea where all are on bike, but sure the Haynes can point me in the right direction. Will keep you all posted if I can fix them. Again any help or tips would be great

    thanks for the help
     
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  14. joe mc donald

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    Just a stab in the dark here. Have you checked all your fuses. It does make a difference even a fuse that looks good can be blown i now test all my fuses with a small bulb and battery. Also a lot of these faults rectify them self's if you disconnect the battery for an hour or so and reconnect.
    Wishing you lots of luck.
    Regards
    Joe.
     
  15. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    each fuse checked with ohm meter in fuse box and battery was out the bike in charge for 2 days on a optimate 3 charger. Checked them twice
     
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  16. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Got tank off again and measured sensors compared to Haynes values mild day so values between 10-20 degrees

    My temp cold engine value 2.66k ohm
    Haynes 2.35k ohm-2.65k ohm

    My air intake temp 2.55K ohm
    Haynes 2.3k ohm - 2.36k ohm

    my air pressure sensor has 3 wires 5v—out—Grnd

    No values to compare in Haynes manual. Not sure these readings are right.

    5v-out=5.4k ohm
    5v-gnd =3.95k ohm
    Out-gnd =9.4k ohm
     
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  17. freck

    freck Elite Member

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    I’d say, to start with, you’ve got the coolant and air temp sensors the wrong way round; they both have the same type of connector and it’s easy to mix them up.
    They both come out of a small loom on the r/h side of the frame. The coolant sensor is by the coolant pressure cap (under the tank front cowl) and the air temp sensor is at the front of the airbox.
     
  18. freck

    freck Elite Member

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    The barometric pressure sensor is part of the ECU and has an air input from one of the small hoses on the r/h rear side of the airbox. It’s usually a thin plastic pipe rather than a rubber hose.
     
  19. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    I’ve now snapped, the house connection point on air box that goes to idle throttle manifold . New air box coming Friday anyway. Just wanted to be sure my sensors are at correct readings.

    my 98 T595 Daytona has a 3 wire pressure sensor in the air box above the throttle body, don’t think it’s ecu integral like newer models. My ECM is a MC2000.
     
  20. 2wheeler

    2wheeler Member

    May 28, 2020
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    Think I will order new MAP sensor while it’s in pieces.

    wait for new air box and sensor and put back together.
     
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