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  1. clive1

    clive1 Member

    Aug 31, 2020
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    #1 clive1, Aug 31, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2020
    Hello Everyone,
    New to the site, but not new to motorcycles of all types,
    I am posting this just hope it will help others out there
    re-commissioning a 1967 unit 650 bonny, (last run 43 years ago)
    and needed advice on which modern oil to use,
    the more i read on various forums, the more inconclusive the replies,
    so I emailed Castrol Classic oils for their advice,
    I have copied my email to them for your information
    Hi Guys,
    Really getting confused by all the contradictory info on web sites as to "what oil"
    The bike is a 1967 T120 unit Bonneville standard engine,
    being recommissioned after a 43 year lay up
    been given a refresh jobbie, piston rings, valves, springs,
    gaskets, rewire electronic ignition, etc-etc,
    fitted a "Norton" oil filter in the return oil line, put in 3 pints of GTX to start the engine
    for purposes of setting carb balance, and strobe timing ignition, now completed,
    and ready for filling with the permanent lube oils,
    the owners forums i have checked failed to give a definitive, consensus reply,
    suggested oils vary from 20w50 mineral oil, to 20w50 fully synthetics,
    whilst others say an in line oil filter requires a high detergent oil
    20w50 diesel engine spec oil, to allow particles to be held in suspension
    for being trapped within the paper element of the filter,
    another suggests a 20w60 grade ,
    what i need is a clear unambiguous recommendation, what are the most suitable oils
    the bike being a classic will be for summer days rides, at 55-70 mph,
    The gearbox oil (1967 book) specifies a straight 50 oil,
    the forums mostly suggest 80/90 gear oil, there is confusion around
    damage to the bronze bushes inside the gear box,
    which some owners have had experience of
    due to the additives in gear oils by various manufacturers,
    my question, which modern Castrol oils are best suited

    THIS IS CASTROL'S REPLY
    Good morning Clive,
    The engine on the Bonnie runs on Castrol Classic XL20w/50,
    which is a mineral low detergent oil,
    you do NOT require high detergent, and synthetic oils may leak over time,
    the unit construction gearbox used to run on Castrol Classic GP50 which is fine,
    however you can use Castrol Classic EP90
    as it is a GL4 specification and will NOT affect yellow metals,
    I would NOT recommend 80/90 as again it will be a synthetic,
    and at 80 weight will be too thin
    The primary requires an SAE 20 oil
    therfore use Castrol Classic TQF

    All can be found at www.classicoils.co.uk
    Kind Regards
    Trevor
    Castrol Classic Oils Manager

    (All word for word reproduction) hope it helps others.
     
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  2. BrianG

    BrianG New Member

    Jul 25, 2020
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    Hi Trevor,
    One question about the overhaul: have you cleaned/replaced the crankshaft sludge trap? These are surprisingly good centrifugal oil filters and trap most of the bits that cause wear. If you have not done anything to the sludge trap then a high detergent oil is likely to free the trapped crud and let it loose in your engine.

    I certainly recommend the Norton style oil filter and have the one on my Daytona tucked neatly under the gearbox. This traps all the remaining bits not caught by the sludge trap. I use Castrol Classic XL20/50 oil. This gets a very high rating on the Norton site:

    www.accessnorton.com/Oil-Tests/NortonOil.php

    You can also see info on lots of other oils that they've tested, both mineral and synthetic (with a few surprises!) I still change my oil at 1500 miles : any oil gets a hard time in Triumph engines as the roller main bearing "chops" up the oil viscosity improver compounds.

    In the gearbox I use Comma Gear Oil EP80W/90 from Halfords which is a GL4 rated mineral oil. It's only GL5 oils that seem to cause problems with bronze bushes.

    TQF may be OK in the primary chaincase but don't consider Castrol 4T 10/30 oil. It states that it is modern JASO/MA2 rated and OK for wet clutches, but I found it made mine slip badly. The clutch is quite happy with the same Castrol oil as the engine.

    Don't forget the front fork oil! These days I find the Silkolene 20W Fork Oil works just fine.
     
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  3. clive1

    clive1 Member

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  4. clive1

    clive1 Member

    Aug 31, 2020
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    Hi Brian G
    (Trevor was the Castrol Mgr who replied)
    This post is my first is by Clive1
    But yes the sludge trap is clinically clean as are all oil ways,
    but thanks for your comments
    have already ordered the classic Castol oils recommended
     
  5. BrianG

    BrianG New Member

    Jul 25, 2020
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    Oops! Sorry Clive I misread the bottom of your post as your signature line. You should be fine with the Castrol oils.
    I had a '67 Bonnie; does your still have the single leading shoe front brake or has it been upgraded to a later twin leading shoe type?
    Cheers,
    Brian
     
  6. clive1

    clive1 Member

    Aug 31, 2020
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    Hi Brian,
    I started this renovation 30 years ago new rims st st spokes a bespoke exhaust and fitted a T140 front end with a single disc,
    than somehow put the project aside and threw a blanket over it,
    and that has where it remained until i had to shield because of covid 19
    and out from hiding it came, and i have hardly come out of the workshop in months and is now 90% complete, a few bits and bobs then finding a quality nickel plating company preferably electroless nickel plating then a full nut and bolt rebuild and away we go,
    looks now as if the first ride out will be next spring
     
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  7. Cornelii

    Cornelii Active Member

    Aug 8, 2019
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    Hi Clive,

    When I investigated oils a couple of years ago I came up with the following information (my memory isn't perfect, so people are welcome to double check this)

    My main take away was that a mineral low detergent oil does not hold the dirt in the oil for long hence limited filtration and sludge traps in older vehicles.
    Modern high detergent oils on the other hand keep the dirt suspended in the oil and require high pressure filters (the can style) to remove it.

    Hence it's this difference in the engine filtration systems which the deciding factor between using a modern high detergent oil or a "classic" mineral low detergent oil.
     
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  8. Cornelii

    Cornelii Active Member

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    Also, welcome to the forum Clive
     
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