Featured A Tale Of Two Test Rides: The Electric Livewire And The Low Rider S

Sandi T · Nov 2, 2020

JtC said: ↑

The metropolis of Luckenbach! It's fun to go there and watch musicians do their thing.
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That does sound fun, JtC! We were there mid-day so no live music at that point. What an interesting place. Not really what I expected--though I'm not quite sure what that was!

Jet City · Nov 3, 2020

Sandi T. said: ↑

Thanks, @Dartplayer. Cool that you just saw the LiveWire recently. You are correct...the silence of the electric motor certainly does make the extreme torque more freaky. When Mr. Sandi and I rode the prototypes, all test riders were specifically instructed to be careful upon acceleration to not do a wheelie during the ride briefing. And we were told that if we did do a wheelie, we'd be promptly escorted back to our starting point.
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Hmmm. So, you had to save the wheelies for the END of the test ride then

JtC · Nov 8, 2020

Sandi T. said: ↑

That does sound fun, JtC! We were there mid-day so no live music at that point. What an interesting place. Not really what I expected--though I'm not quite sure what that was!

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Uniquely Texas.

roadrider · Nov 8, 2020

Good write up
I'm "interested" enough to try an electric bike.
Just wish they'd sort the range out.

Sandi T · Nov 8, 2020

roadrider said: ↑

Good write up
I'm "interested" enough to try an electric bike.
Just wish they'd sort the range out.
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Yes, the range is definitely an issue and dealbreaker, @roadrider. If you're low on gas it doesn't take long to gas up again. Not so with charging a battery!

Don the Don · Nov 8, 2020

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The metropolis of Luckenbach! It's fun to go there and watch musicians do their thing.
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Always reminded me of these guys:

Don the Don · Nov 8, 2020

Sandi T. said: ↑

Yes, the range is definitely an issue and dealbreaker, @roadrider. If you're low on gas it doesn't take long to gas up again. Not so with charging a battery!
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especially stateside in the more remote area's

Ericmiles · Nov 9, 2020

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Dougie D · Dec 15, 2021

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Last Friday while Mr. Sandi was fishing with some friends, our riding buddy, RT, and I rode up to Superstition Harley-Davidson to test ride bikes. Superstition H-D is dealership is in the town of Apache Junction in the southeast part of the Phoenix metro area. I've been jones-ing to test ride the 2020 Low Rider S for awhile now. This 2020 Low Rider S is the updated Softail version of my now-traded 2017 Dyna Low Rider S and the latest model in a long history of Low Rider models dating back to 1977 when the first one rolled off the line.

When I called the dealership to schedule a test ride, the sales manager suggested that since we'd already be in our riding gear we really should test ride Harley's electric motorcycle which is known as the "LiveWire". Well, twist my arm why dontcha. I love test riding and, hey, any excuse.... Mr. Sandi and I were lucky enough to be able to test ride the LiveWire prototypes about five years ago when the demo truck came through Phoenix. It was a hoot! So I was interested to see how different this bike would be from the prototypes. Here's a photo of one of the prototypes.

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So off my buddy and I went for the 100-mile ride north to Apache Junction and Superstition Harley. Mr. Sandi and I had stopped in this dealership for the first time ever about a week prior as we were returning from an overnighter MC trip. It was then that I saw a custom painted Low Rider S, one that I've been dreaming about ever since. RT had never been to that dealership so getting him up there to see it was a good excuse to ride up there for the day.

First up in the test ride queue for me was a Low Rider S. RT chose to test ride a 2020 Street Bob. Jason, the very pleasant and personable salesman we worked with agreed to lead us on a route since neither RT nor I knew this part of Phoenix well enough to be able to find our way out of a paper bag. Besides, we wanted to focus on the bikes and not worry about the route.

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I'm not about to nor able to offer a professional quality test ride motorcycle reviews of the same caliber that @steve lovatt has shared with us on this forum. But I will say that I was smitten with the Low Rider S. And there was nothing about my test ride that altered my smitten-ness--except to increase it.

I test rode a stock silver Low Rider S. The one that really caught my fancy is this custom painted matte black version with unique fender, faring, and tank graphics.

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Next up was a test ride on the LiveWire. This H-D electric bike is hugely controversial with all sort of issues. But, damn the torpedos, it was GREAT FUN TO RIDE! RT wasn't that interested in riding it at all initially but agreed to join me. About two thirds of the way through the test ride he pulled up next to me at a red light, flipped up his face shield, and exclaimed "I love this thing! This is the most fun I've had on a motorcycle in years!" Interestingly, he didn't have to yell and I could easily hear him because the bike was making NO sound. That's just weird.

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In person, I found the LiveWire to be quite an attractive little package.The fit and finish is exceptional and the lines are lovely. It's heavy off the side stand but once upright and moving it is remarkably light feeling and nimble. In the parking lot at low speeds it nearly feels bicycle-like. On the road I likened it to feeling like being on a magic carpet or on one of those vehicles in The Jetsons. Twist the throttle and "zoom zoom"! It takes off like a rocket ship! RT and I both said we found ourselves grabbing for the clutch as we approached stop lights but otherwise it was quite easy to adapt to riding these electric bikes. I never thought I'd have one but now actually I would. But only if I won the lottery and had money to burn and only if I had tons of garage space. And those two things are highly correlated. I wouldn't necessarily need the H-D version and would probably check out the Zero. But again, only if I win the lottery. Unlikely since I don't play.

When we got back from the test ride, Jason said that we were each due a special tee-shirt just for test riding the LiveWire. They didn't have women's sizes (not unusual unfortunately ) but it was free. And a cool design. And lucky for me, with some digging around, Jason found the last remaining men's size small tee.

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By this time it was well after the traditional lunch hour and RT, who is nearly always hungry, was eager to find food. We wandered half a block down the street to a local Mexican joint called Erickberto's where I ordered a breakfast burrito ("Served All Day") with eggs, cheese, and potatoes. Unfortunately I forgot to get some salsa to dip it in but it was delicious nonetheless. We walked back to the dealership and sat outside on some nice benches in the shade to debrief our test rides and watch other customers come and go.

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Just a few feet away from our lunch spot was covered parking for motorcycles only. A guy pulled up on a heavily modified Fat Boy that caught my attention. I had to check out the front end to see just what these skeleton hands were holding. Speakers! Not my cup of tea but definitely eye-catching. A bit creepy for me.

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This custom-painted bike rolled up in the area that we were prepping for our first test ride. Again not my cup of tea but I could certainly appreciate the artistry and skill involved in this paint job! And you wouldn't lose your bike in the parking lot.

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After finishing our burritos we went back inside the dealership and did a bit of shopping in the Motorclothes Department. Amazingly--more like unbelievably according to RT--I purchased nothing. Not one tee-shirt. Not a single pair of gloves. Not even a hat. That's because as he continued to shop in Motorclothes, I was back over in motorcycle sales busily negotiating a potential deal with the sales manager for an out-the-door price for the matte black Low Rider S. Stay tuned.

I honestly could and sometimes do spend hours in motorcycle dealerships. Today was no exception. Fortunately for me, RT is pretty much a man after my own heart. Mr. Sandi does his best to be patient but he's finished and out the door far before I've even scratched the surface. But finally RT said he thought we needed to be hitting the road because it was going to be dark before we arrived back in Tucson! It was 3:30pm and we'd arrived that morning at 10:00am. Time flies when you're hanging out with bikes and bikers. And burritos. Just before leaving we took a look at Superstition's wall-sized map of Arizona and pointed out some of our favorite routes to Jason who had just moved to Arizona from Minnesota three months ago. He's already found a few favorite routes from where he lives and we pointed out a few more we thought he might enjoy.

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On today's ride I saw my Street Glide Special turn over to one thousand miles so it's due and scheduled for a 1K service this Friday. What a fun day--friends, motorcycles, sunny skies, and burritos. Life is good.
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i must have missed this thread first time round, everyone that has tried an electric bike seems to like them, i guess they could add an exhaust soundtrack to the bike or even have various soundtracks, that might be fun!
I'll give it another 3/4 years and hopefully the range will be an acceptable 200-300 miles

Sandi T · Dec 15, 2021

Dougie D said: ↑

i must have missed this thread first time round, everyone that has tried an electric bike seems to like them, i guess they could add an exhaust soundtrack to the bike or even have various soundtracks, that might be fun!
I'll give it another 3/4 years and hopefully the range will be an acceptable 200-300 miles
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It is super weird that the bike makes such little sound, Dougie. But it's definitely not NO sound...but it sure doesn't sound like a motorcycle. I also got to ride a LiveWire prototype maybe 5-6 years ago at this point and part of the deal was to provide feedback. I think enough people--including me--must have said that it's just too weird that at stop lights you can't even tell the bike is on. So one of the things they added was a little "pulse" when the bike is stopped but turned on--sort of like a heartbeat. Though subtle you could definitely feel it. And I like it much better than feeling and hearing absolutely nothing when at a stop light.

I'm in complete agreement with the current range acceptability. Even if there were to be lots of charging stations, I can't imagine it taking 20-30 minutes (or more?) to to recharge vs. being able to gas up in 5 minutes! At this point the range on electric bikes renders them fairly useless for anything but very short commutes or being a "bar hopper". Even if and when the range approaches 200-300 miles, if charging availability and time are still an issue, so too will be the usefulness of electric bikes for anything except around town jaunts in my opinion. For me, that would relegate an electric bike to being a fun little novelty if I had tons of space and and scads of money--and I've neither.

Wessa · Dec 18, 2021

A useful catch-up on electric bikes. I have yet to experience a ride on one, so can’t offer an objective view.
If I’m still able to ride by the time we have to give up on our ice bikes I guess I will have to give them a try. But for now I’m going to go with my noisy, smelly bikes

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