2002 Rear Hub, Drop Link And Now Swing Arm Service

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  1. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Thanks...I wouldn't normally make such a fuss about getting a simple pin out...but it has been the bane of my life for weeks! I reckon it's not been out since the bike was put together in 2002...
     
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  2. Smilinjack

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    Well done mate! Just to confirm, the bearing in the photo is most definitely goosed. I think in another pic I can see a needle roller sort of stuck to the link itself. Still, reassembly now, always makes you feel better. :)
     
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  3. Col_C

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    I knew you'd get there eventually, I can see using the correct lubrication (bottle of red) helped. Your next challenge is getting those well shagged needle bearings and seals out. A carefully selected socket and mallet is the usual method (I'm guessing you don't have a hydraulic press lying around :)).
    That spindle was done for too!
     
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  4. Bolosun

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    Well done. And when you come to refit remember the direction of the bolts and which side the nuts go on. ;)
     
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  5. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Thanks all... I feel it has truly been a group effort :laughing:.

    I do not have a hydraulic press...but I do have bearing puller...and, failing that, a selection of sockets and big hammer... Also lots of photos for nut/bolt orientation!

    New bearing and spindle kit just arrived in the Sunday post... So shiny! I'm used to a more dull rusty brown colour! What is this new fangled silvery stuff!? :joy:

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  6. Smilinjack

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  7. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Today's conundrum... What magic spell do Triumph expect you to incant in order to remove one of these clips, on the hub? I mean...a normal spring clip couldn't do....so they invented one that's even more of a PITA...?

    I mean, I *think* I can get away with the bearings as they are...but hey, why stop now, right... But they don't make it easy!


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  8. Ducatitotriumph

    Ducatitotriumph Crème de la Crème

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    Its a boy!!!!
     
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  9. Iron

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    #109 Iron, Jan 24, 2022
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    Like this:

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    http://www.bowl-of-mice.co.uk/ST_Hub.html

    It says: "Use a small flat blunt blade to ping out the retaining clip" best of luck :D

    I think it means get a flat bar to fit between the two angled ends. Then twist and one end should pop out. Fuck knows how you'll get it back in.
    Best read down the instructions, looks like you'll need some long circlip pliers as well. If it says it's a bugger you can bet it'll either be really easy or a nightmare.
     
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  10. Smilinjack

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    Done a few of those with a terminal driver. :)
     
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  11. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Thanks @Iron. I really like "Bowl of rice"; but I think it's not active as a site anymore?

    I must admit, I attempted that with a small screwdriver but couldnt get it to 'bite'...so I reached out in frustration...

    I am thinking a more reasoned approach, in daylight, may also prove useful...

    I will rummage for an appropriate 'lever'...or, failing that, take it to Triumph garage see if they can help again....
     
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  12. Ducatitotriumph

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    Isn't the newer version a normal circlip with holes for normal circlip pliers? Use one of them if so?
     
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  13. Iron

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    I only just found 'bowl of mice' cause I was curious...
    All the links down the bottom of the page on the site work for me. It's even got how to take that swingarm shaft out with a sliding hammer and other stuff about putting it all back together.
    I've no idea really as I only have 60s and 70s Trumpets. I couldn't cope with all these new fangled gizmos. :)
     
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  14. Iron

    Iron First Class Member

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    Oops, I tell a lie, sorry, I've just got one from 1980. o_O
     
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  15. Smilinjack

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    #115 Smilinjack, Jan 24, 2022
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    Looking at your pic, use a small flat bladed driver on the right hand end of the aperture, the tip that points "away" from the hub outer. Once a bit is out you can ease it up away from the groove and then it will run off almost like taking a tube off a tyre. Put it back by engaging one end into the retaining groove and ease it round, a bit of a tug and once the other end is inside the hub and safe, push down until PING it snaps fully into the retaining slot.:)

    Edit: a second screwdriver is handy, so when you have the first end clear of the groove, you can bung it in the gap between the hub and the clip to prevent it snapping back in.
     
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  16. DanielB

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    Sorry...a big fuss over nothing, all advice sound as usual...and just needed a decent levering tool... :rolleyes:

    I'll try to keep my posts restricted to actual issues and updates, rather than throwing my tools out the pram...

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  17. DanielB

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    OK....I don't believe I am a stupid man...but if you don't know the answer it doesn't matter how simple the question is...

    How does this "blind hole bearing remover" work...any ideas? I am guessing it is the same "jacking out" principle as the threaded bar and pi used earlier...only this set cost a bit more money...but there no instructions and I simply can't work it out! :tired_face:

    I get that the "split bar" goes inside/through the bearing and this long threaded bar screws in to it, splaying the splines, that grip the far bearing lip.

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    But then what...? I am guessing that somehow this set-up needs to be "wound outwards"?

    So...like this? Tighten the arrowed nut?

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    very confused...
     
  18. Iron

    Iron First Class Member

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    It's basically the same as you did with your made up piece. It's like a rawlbolt that expands as you tighten it up. Once that has gripped the inside of the bearing you then pull it out by using the tube and winding it out with the purple arrowed nut.
    The set up you show in the photo shows that the tube isn't pushing on anything. The first washer needs to be against the item you are trying to pull from. The tube then presses on that while you wind the nut onto the outside washer. The tube pushes against the sleeve while the threaded bolt pulls the bearing out.
    Does that make sense?
    Sometimes the rawlbolt section pulls out of the bearing even though you've tightened them up as much as you can. When that happens I then use superglue to stick it into the bearing and sort it out once the bearing is out.
     
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  19. Iceman

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    Hi Daniel, Triumph use internal circlip pliers, I have a selection of both internal and external pliers, you can use all manner of instruments to extract the circlip as has been said, however the circlip is under great tension so be careful when getting it out, the last thing you want is it hitting you in the face (eyes etc). It's difficult starting out and many build up a selection of tools over time, some don't have the luxury of a garage, shed or workshop and have to work outside. I'm fortunate in having a garage, for larger more complex work I use the well kitted family workshop nearby, thankfully most work can be done in my home garage (although I do need to give it a good clear out and tidy up. I really enjoy reading your posts and genuinely admire your tenacity keep at it.

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  20. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Ignore me, ignore me...

    What an excellent piece of kit!

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