2002 Rear Hub, Drop Link And Now Swing Arm Service

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  1. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Hiya, so...am in isolation for 10 days..

    on the assumption I manage to get the axle nut off my 2002 Triple and I get to service the rear hub....is there a 'service pack' available, does anyone know?

    Or is it a case of disassemble, inspect, replace...bit by bit?

    I'm guessing these are all the bits I'm hoping to get in to inspect: https://www.worldoftriumph.com/coll...pe=speed-triple-from-vin-141872-to-vin-210444

    I know I need a new stake nut...

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Yorkshireman

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    Do you know if the hub has been serviced before. With the bike being a 2002 model it should have been done. I can only relate my experience on my 2015 model which was about 4 years old when I did that job.
    Firstly I couldn’t get to lift the stake on the nut so had to resort to brute force with a breaker bar whilst stamping hard on the rear brake. It came off without damaging the axle threads and I safely reused the nut. Once inside I found that the bearings were in very good condition with a good amount of grease still evident. The bike had done a little over 12,000 miles. I decided not to disturb things too much and satisfied myself that a little grease on the bearings would suffice. I don’t remember removing the eccentric hub as it wasn’t stuck and rotated easily, though I know this can be a problem.
    As far as I know there isn’t a specific service pack for this job but as you have already posted the schematic diagram can see that if you need to change any parts they are available.
    You’ll not know til you get in there what condition things are in and what needs changing, if anything. Just make sure that you have a good clean area to work in and lay things out as they are removed so they go back correctly, meaning things like the dished washer on the right side nut etc.
     
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  3. Smilinjack

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    My Sprint looked pretty dry when I took it apart. I think it's pot luck what you're likely to find, but deffo get it done. And get that bloody nut off so I can sleep at night! :grinning:
     
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  4. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Thanks both...

    I am not aware that any of this has ever been done...so I may just go through it all, slowly...slowly. the eccentric adjuster still seems to move 'ok' but it can't hurt toaybe get in there too...

    I say this like its easy and I know what I'm doing.

    I have no reason to think it is easy...and I have no idea what I'm doing!

    As for that axle nut @Smilinjack ...the saga continues, so a few more sleepless nights I'm afraid!

    My current plan is with a manual impact driver and twat it very hard with a big hammer!
     
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  5. Col_C

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    You'll need some good circlip pliers, it's the mother of all circlips holding the eccentric hub in the swing arm.
    (Definitely worth re- greasing though)
     
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  6. Smilinjack

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    Coming back to this nut-have you tried tightening it? Sometimes you just need to break the grip of the threads, l've quite often just tightened a fastener an eighth of a turn and got a result that way. Got a circlip for a 1050, bet they're the same.:)
     
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  7. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Well, I never thought I'd say it, but it appears my twat isn't big enough...as that hasn't shifted it either...
     
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  8. Iceman

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    The needle bearing T3800220 is the one that usually breaks up when dismantling the hub, the others are ball race bearings that stay intact, look up Fowlers website they do carry large stocks, I think I mentioned previously some parts are now discontinued so you need to check what's available, good luck with the strip down and re build.
     
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  9. chuk

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    Take your time use qaulity tools fit for purpose and if possible take plenty pics,then if all goes well you could post a guide here to help others
     
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  10. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Does this include photos of my hairy crack as I'm bending down, f'in and jeff'in trying to get the fuc'in axle nut off?

    Or after that bit?
     
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  11. chuk

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    Oh ffs it’s not crimbo yet if that’s your bag better get a heavy duty lens
     
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  12. Smilinjack

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    #12 Smilinjack, Dec 20, 2021
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    Don't fuck about with impact drivers, have you not got a breaker bar minimum length 24", pref 30"? And make sure it's a good quality socket-on that note a 1 and 13/16 AF socket is a good fit. Curiously the axle nut is actually 35mm x 1.5mm thread IIRC, so a 36mm socket isn't ideal. :)
     
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  13. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Ok. Kudos and thanks to Premier Motorcycles near Abingdon, Oxfordshire who took about 90 seconds to get the axle nut undone!

    Let the fun begin!!!
     
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  14. Col_C

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    We need ALL the embarrassing details of how easy it was for them to shift it. :joy:
     
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  15. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    ...sorry, there's not much to tell. A big, burley, Polish mechanic got my nuts off in about 2 minutes...what's there to say!?
     
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  16. Adie P

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    "Dziekuje" I think? :D;)

    Don't know the Polish for "be careful with my nuts, mate".
     
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  17. Gordon MacBean

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    Ah that is good news. Polish labour pays off in the end. At least you can now give us a blow by blow account of the rest of the greasy affair.
     
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  18. DanielB

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    Hiyas, HNY etc...

    So ... Full description on its way, but so far the strip down has got my wheel off, cush drive off and axle out.

    It'll all have a goo clean but so far nothing seems untoward, bearings don't feel gritty or anything.

    Couple of quick questions.

    1st, the conical washer from the cush drive side fell off...and I didn't notice which way round it should go....

    It goes between the stake nut and a washer ...

    If it's "connical" let's say there's a high/pointy side and a low/flat side.

    Which side goes against the stake nut?

    Second question.

    Haynes says to regrease my bearings use Mobil HP 222 (Or any lithium based multipurpose grease).

    Should I just use (buy) Mobil HP 222 or can I use my TRIPLE QX Molygrease, which is lithium based, and spec says is NLGI No.2?

    Question 3.

    The eccentric chain adjuster all seemed to move ok, even with the Triumph 2 part tool from the tool case. What maintenance can be performed on this part, without replacing any actual bearings? Is it worth it to remove the caliper hanger and circlip and recover that hub unit? What can I actually practically do to it?

    Thanks y'all!

    xx
     
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  19. Col_C

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    Conical washer - high point at bore towards nut.
    DEFINITELY remove circlip and extract eccentric hub from swingarm to re-grease, that is the most likely future trouble maker.
    Chances are moly grease would be ok, but there's no doubts if sticking to recommended?
     
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  20. DanielB

    DanielB Noble Member

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    Thank you @Col_C that makes sense and sounds like good practice... Amazon already fired up and order placed!
     
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