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1980 T140

Discussion in 'Triumph General Discussion' started by Derek Henderson, May 22, 2015.

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  1. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    T140 breaking down after 10-15 mile when hot, felt like fuel starvation, however, when i eventually pushed her 2 mile back home, removed plugs to find no spark, before i could diagnose further, spark returned and bike starting 1st kick every kick, I am thinking coil breaking down, checked kill switch all ok. 1st time on the road for 7 years, electronic ignition model, any common faults i should be looking for.
     
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  2. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Well if it wasn't for the lack of spark I would have said look at the seal/gasket between carb and cylinder head and check that isn't split
     
  3. stollydriver

    stollydriver Senior Member
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    My mates bike was doing same - found ecu had fault. Tapping ecu body after it cut out gave intermittent spark. New ecu from States - jobs a good one. Hope this helps
     
  4. STIFFLER

    STIFFLER Active Member

    Jan 27, 2015
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    I had this Derek on my Jap crap & it was the coils. Hope you have fixed it!
     
  5. camman

    camman Member

    Jun 7, 2015
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    If you have the original Lucas E.I. system, it will most likely be that, mine did exactly the same.
    I binned the whole lot and replaced with Pazon (which personally I prefer to Boyer) E.I., and while I was at it I replaced the coils with a single dual output coil, binned the zenor and fitted a Wassel dual phase regulator/rectifier unit.
    Also, because they vibrate a bit;) I fitted a Motobatt glass mat battery.
    Result is, easy first time starter, (mine is kick start only), and settles down very quickly, despite high compression pistons and 34mm Mikuni carbs fitted.
    I run one grade hotter iridium plugs, but if you are L.C. and original Amals, then standards probably best.
    Having said all that, you may just have a bad connection on the low tension side of ignition circuit??.....but the Lucas E.I. unit does react like yours when they are starting to fail.
    Graham
     
  6. joe mc donald

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    Yes I did similar and changed for boyer branston problem sorted.
    Regards
    Joe
     
  7. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    Thanks, i have tried replacement coils, thought i had it sussed, then back to square one again, did find some crappy wiring from alternator, soldered and heat shrinked connections, problem is i seem to only loose spark for short period, easier to diagnose if it stopped completely, i will get a Boyer before i miss the summer, regards the rectifier, mines looks new, does this have anything to do with spark or is it just for the charging system, where did you get your Wassel dual phase regulator/rectifier unit, cheers again
     
  8. camman

    camman Member

    Jun 7, 2015
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    I got my regulator/rectifier from BritBits in Christchurch as it is just down the road from me.
    It is important to have smooth rectified supply to battery and electronic ignition, especially the old lucas system, so I would çhange this first. With the engine running you should measure approx 13.5 volts across battery, and when you rev it, it should stay under 14.5 volts.
    I would bet that your lucas e.i. amplifier unit is failing because the supply is critical, modern Boyer and Pazon units are more forgiving with supply, but it is still important to have good smooth supply for the batteries sake as well.
    Like you, I also worked my way through the dodgy crimp connections and replaced with soldered heat shrunk connections wherever possible.
    The main reason I prefer the Pazon unit over Boyer is because the pickup coils are encapsulated into a machined billet backplate and the amplifier box fits neatly into tray under seat, leaving enough room for my usb charging socket.
    As I said earlier, I also fitted a single dual output coil, which are smaller than one original coil, and reccomended by Pazon (bought it with kit)......I will post a picture later if you want, when on pc, showing how it all fits in.
    Graham
     
  9. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    Edinburgh
    That sounds very promising and reassuring, thank's Graham, pics would be great.
    regards Derek.
     
  10. camman

    camman Member

    Jun 7, 2015
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    I expect this thread should be in Technical really?...but I'm sure one of the moderators will move it if necessary.
    Anyway, here is the picture as promised, in the tray at top is the E.I unit, at the bottom is the 12 volt auxiliary socket, and the usb adapter and charging cables sit nicely in the center.
    All nice and dry under the seat, and the dual output coil bolts on the tray to right which carried the old coils. I would also recommend the Mottobat battery I have fitted, as they hold charge very well and are not as effected by vibration

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  11. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    Edinburgh
    Well, I stripped of the old lucas system and it clearly had something rattling about inside, see attached picture, i fitted the boyer and engine runs fine, i am awaiting my 2 in 1 coil before i test drive but feel confident, i will leave converting the rectifier till i have the ignition sorted. I ground out the Lucas casing and fitted the boyer inside, saves a bit room under seat for any other additions. Capture.JPG Capture1.JPG IMAG0214.jpg
     
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  12. camman

    camman Member

    Jun 7, 2015
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    Good work Derek, and a neat use of existing housing.
    Have you checked that you have a stable voltage at battery with engine running, of between 13.5 and 14 volts?
    I would still recommend replacing the regulator/rectifier with one of the modern Wassell dual phase units, as the original zenner diodes have a habit of sudden failure, often wrecking the battery and sometimes even the E.I.amplifier.

    My T140E is currently being treated to new sprockets, chain and swing arm bearings, and now it is a reliable first kick starter I just love riding it:)
    Have you got spoke wheels, Lester mags, or Morris mags on yours?
    Graham
     
  13. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    Edinburgh
    I have got, and plan to change it, just wanted to get the other stuff out the way, spoked alloy, not sure what they are , made in spain?

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  14. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Akront rims are aluminium, well-known and highly reputed.
     
  15. camman

    camman Member

    Jun 7, 2015
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    Yes they are good rims, the four stud morris wheels can be a bit suspect (some say they are prone to cracking), but the lester six stud wheels fitted to export model seem to be ok.........mine have done 60,000 miles and I haven't managed to break them o_O
     
  16. Derek Henderson

    Derek Henderson New Member

    May 5, 2015
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    3
    Edinburgh
    bike now running great albeit a tad too rich, job for the weekend, thanks for the help
     
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