Witness, Horrible Incident

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  1. Ken walburn

    Ken walburn Noble Member

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    Went to the charity shop this morning to get more books, as you do. On my way out of the centre I was witness to a horrible incident. There is a dual carriageway, 40 mph limit, 30 metres before a roundabout is a zebra crossing. A mum & her (I would say 6 year old daughter had Been let across the other carriageway zebra, the outside lane coming the other way had stopped to allow crossing. The f******** idiot white van man on the inside lane didn't. Fortunately he did not hit the girl cyclist with the front of his van, but the front door region. Other than bruising & shock the little one seemed ok. The screams from her mum was spine chilling. Could have been so much worse. Brings home to you how delicate we all are. My message to the van driver. Slow the f*** down, do not under take at zig zag lines & take your medicine. I suspect either dangerous driving or undue care conviction.
     
  2. stollydriver

    stollydriver Elite Member

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    Did the police arrive on site?
     
  3. Ken walburn

    Ken walburn Noble Member

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    Oh yes. Ambulance also to check out kiddy. I think any collision on a zebra with a pedestrian has to be attended.
     
  4. Yorkshireman

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    and you never overtake the foremost vehicle whilst within the confines of the zig zag lines either inside lane or outside lane. That’s a 3 point £100 offence on it’s own without a collision.
     
  5. Sprinter

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    People walking out on to crossings before the cars have stopped. just cos its a crossing does not mean the cars have seen you. Wait for the cars to stop and then cross, please. It is an imperfect world.
     
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  6. GaryM

    GaryM It's him, you know who. Him from you know ....

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    Pedestrians may have right of way but flesh against steel or aluminium doesn’t win.
    I never trust that I’ve been seen and wait for traffic to stop personally.
     
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  7. GaryM

    GaryM It's him, you know who. Him from you know ....

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    I would say the kid as well.
    He’s not a pedestrian he’s a cyclist. Cyclists have to obey the rules of the road. Was it one of those crossing that also allow cyclists as well? Don’t they have to dismount from the bike when using them?
    I know I’ve seen cyclists dismount signs on some crossings just can’t remeber which type of crossing.
     
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  8. GaryM

    GaryM It's him, you know who. Him from you know ....

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    Then it was definately the cyclist in the wrong. He’s not a pedestrian and cycling on a pedestrian crossing is a no no. So multiple infractions committed by him.
     
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  9. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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    Its more ZEN than 'who was right' its about getting home in one piece, having a clear conscience, awareness,survival, taking responsibility for your actions.
    In a way blame actually stops you switching on and taking your own responsibility for your own actions,if you follow what I mean.
     
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  10. Yorkshireman

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    Yes they should dismount, they can only ride over a “toucan” crossing
     
  11. Yorkshireman

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    I think rule 191 applies to your situation DD
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    You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
    Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28
    The cyclist should not have crossed against the red light and the driver has a duty of care to approach with caution, the green light means proceed with caution.
    6 and two 3’s I reckon. o_O
     
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  12. Baben

    Baben Active Member

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    As a kid of about twelve I witnessed an accident on a zebra crossing. A girl was crossing and a car failed to slow and hit her. She flew about twenty feet through the air and was badly injured. I always treat crossings with the utmost caution.
     
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  13. Ken walburn

    Ken walburn Noble Member

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    Haunting experience
     
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