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The Brexit Thread

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Dozers Dad, Nov 15, 2018.

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  1. Dozers Dad

    Dozers Dad Bushmills Chief Quality Controller
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    Hi Folks,

    I'm sure some of you are keen to have your say about the Brexit negotiations/long term impact.

    This thread should keep all your rants/ramblings in one place.

    Therefore giving those that aren't as interested. An easy way to avoid the subject.

    Enjoy yourselves but please respect the views of others.
    Remember, opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one! :)
     
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  2. David Cooper

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  3. BB3Lions

    BB3Lions Walk a mile in my shoes
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    We're fucked either way. Working class always are.
     
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  4. Rspete

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    I literally can't articulate my feelings on the subject into written text.

    Apart from what a Bunch of namby pamby dicks, bb3 hit the nail on the head.
     
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  5. joe mc donald

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    Same here. Sick to death of so much bull. It is costing us all millions for the Idiots just to sit around and bicker. I though we won the war. And I though we were leaders this RsPete is right it make the Great Britain leaders look like your Namby Pambies. All the others are laughing at us while feathering their nests with our money. Irish Border what the hell is that. I spent all my life at home riding from the north to the south never got stopped or questioned.
    Ride Free All
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  6. Havit

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  7. Smilinjack

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    At some point the argument and finger pointing has to stop. I'm a Remainer-I figure as a working man my bread is probably slightly better buttered in the EC as opposed to out. And being governed by autocratic corrupt gits in Brussels looks no different to me to being governed by the same sort of people in Westminster. It's no coincidence that the biggest Brexiteers are wealthy globalist Tories. And it makes life as a European for me easier, obviously. But the vote's been made, etc...
    We can blame Cameron for holding the referendum, Blair for making it an issue with the unchecked immigration over which his government presided, deliberately as we later learned. But the politicians can't deliver what we want, because as a nation we don't actually know, or agree on, what we want. It's a veritable Gordian knot, and May has applied the sword like Alexander the Great before her. Ultimately you can see a scenario involving the breakup of the UK-Ireland will need to be united, Scotland wants to remain anyway. I can tell you this much-the days of Empire to which some appear to be harking back are gone. :)
     
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  8. MrOrange

    MrOrange The Lunatics have definitely taken over !!!!
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    You were never going to get a good deal, you were screwed from the second you voted leave. Give UK a good deal and other countries leave.
    Holidays are already costing a fortune, car prices are going to go the same way, remember the 80's and going to germany to get a good deal!

    We were lied to. Save £350m a day, stop immigration, what a pile of shite, was never going to happen. Labour, Tories and their lapdog printed media have blamed immigration for years, all a load of bullshit. European immigrants paid 35% more into the system than they took out !!!

    The only upside, is that I hope we get a second referendum on Scottish Independence. Two major reasons why Scotland voted to stay in, were the pound (it's fecked now) and to remain part of Europe.

    Lies ,lies, lies that's what you get from politicians.They use the BBC and printed media to keep you in fear. This has just turned around and bit them hard. Even May was part of the remain campaign!!! Boris saw it as an opportunity to get the populist vote, unfortunately he did too good a job.

    Why can't they just be grown up and reverse the decision. Europe will punish us for the next decade, but be less than what we have done now.

    Follow the rules, but don't get a say and you Still gotta pay in. !!!

    Yeah, we really have left europe, not.

    Total and utter clusterfuck.
     
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  9. BB3Lions

    BB3Lions Walk a mile in my shoes
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    I didn't vote as the lies from both sides was clearly obvious, so I guess I don't have a voice to complain, which is what it is. However, I really don't know what people were expecting to happen, what, we was just going to come out of the EU with a thank you for your time with the group, of course not.

    The few options I would have been happy with was;

    • Or own trade agreements - not going to happen.
    • Our own immigration laws - not going to happen,
    • Remove ourselves from the civil rights debacle - not going to happen
    • Remove health tourists from abusing the NHS - not going to happen
    But i didn't vote, so my voice is unheard, however, if i had of voted, so bloody what, it still would not be heard. Only thing that matters is my family, everyone else can go jump.
     
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  10. Biker Jock

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    Listening to ministers, MPs and 'expert' commentators, they are saying:
    1. The current negotiated deal is unacceptable by both remain and leave
    2. A no-deal Brexit is too unimaginably bad to contemplate
    3. Exiting Brexit will destroy trust in democracy for decades
    4. There is no chance of a second referendum (see point 3)
    5. There could be a general election, meaning a choice between (my opinion):
      1. The current lot, who are at (un)civil war with each other and probably unelectable (and I can't bring myself to vote Conservative)
      2. The suffocating grey blanket of a socialist government (I couldn't vote for them either)
    Oh dear, what a pickle...
     
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  11. steve lovatt

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    Theresa May has succeeded in negotiating paying full price on a sofa from DFS.

    Mrs May was returning from Salzburg following the most disappointing trip to Austria since Kara Mustafa got to 17th Century Vienna to discover all the shops were closed.

    An aide told us, “We were driving to her constituency when we passed a DFS branch. She demanded we immediately stop so that she could go and put a deposit on a sofa she’s had her eye on for a while. Shea marched straight in and bought it in an hour. We were all quite shocked that she paid full price for it though. Who knew that DFS sell things for full price?”

    The aide told us that whilst Mrs May was adamant that she was paying full price she faced stiff opposition from both the DFS staff members and her own advisors. “She just dismissed us as worthless experts who know nothing and handed her credit card over. It’s strange because I thought that that Egg bank had gone bust put apparently not.”

    It’s not clear if Mrs May negotiated a deal on the transportation of her new sofa but we can confirm that she actually left the shop empty handed.

    One shop insider told us, “We pleaded with her to accept free delivery but she was determined that she was going to have a bespoke deal in place in time to be able to take the sofa home in October.”

    It’s further alleged that Boris Johnson has already written a 15 page exclusive for The Daily Telegraph on how rubbish the sofa is.
     
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  12. Callumity

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    Ok my take.
    If I was still in my old military job ‘in a nuclear bunker somewhere near ......’ and we were given the Brexit problem we would first conduct a ‘strategic estimate’. This is a formalised but quite quick process by which you assess your options and likely counter plays.
    For the EU, BREXIT is an existential threat. They cannot allow countries to escape without major consequences or the whole show collapses. Consequently our options needed to anticipate a punishment beating at one end of the spectrum and a clean break at the other. Furthermore, the core issue left, right and centre is sovereignty (our government, our rules). Economics are a second order question; important but the price to be paid .......and the majority of our wealth is made domestically or outside the EU. The only thing we HAVE to get from the EU is branded goods like BMW - and even their sportcars are made in South Carolina. Furthermore a couple of % points on tariffs is significant but not crippling. Food, clothing and footwear are all MORE expensive due to EU trade barriers.
    Mrs May has deliberately and knowingly shut down the ‘Hard’ option from Day 1 by undermining successive Exit Secretaries with all real negotiating taking place from Downing Street. We have just had reports of unelected Civil Servants shouting down Crown Ministers. Un f believable!
    Our 5 kids wanted a pet. Three voted puppy. Two voted kitten. Mummy gave them a skunk......
    We are where we are but TM’s deceit does not invalidate the Leave case and a so-called Peoples’ Vote (we had one) is a naked attempt to overturn a politically inexpedient 1st referendum because we have a sham democracy. Remember Tony Blair and Mandelslime support it. Best of 3?
    The skunk will probably not get through Parliament and the EU says the deal is not for re-negotiation. Well they want their punishment beating and May has given them the bat. She barefaced misrepresents the legal handcuffs she has agreed.
    Following a Parliamentary raspberry, pressure will build for a new referendum but much turns on May’s survival. If she goes and is replaced by a genuine Brexiteer then a policy switch is possible and a rough but survivable ride. If she stays I see us leaving next year with no deal.
    Anyone who says ‘crash out’ is buy into a narrative. We did not ‘crash into’ the EEC for which I voted - but I quickly realised that back then I had been lied to.....
    Finally, I don’t buy the ‘working class suffer’ line. We are all working class if we depend on salaries or pensions without private wealth. We all suffer if our democracy is trashed by politicians who disrespect the popular will even if it is awkward for them to get off their lying, subsidised, idle backsides and do as they are bidden. We have a representative democracy I.e. our representatives vote with their conscience on a variety of issues before them. However, on a single issue referendum they effectively cease to be representatives and become ‘delegates’ i.e. bound to cast their vote as mandated. Across Parliament there are hundreds of shysters who stood on Tory and Labour manifestos to Leave who now actively work to overturn the result. Worse, they have been queuing up to help the EU screw us.
     
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  13. Sprinter

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    Agreed. All you missed out was fact that the whole things a set up. Planned by the oligarchs to institute change, which generates investment ,for or against the market ,they win with every upset.
     
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  14. BB3Lions

    BB3Lions Walk a mile in my shoes
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    Same with wars, forget the one world order crap, more investment bankers and the need to generate money; Bush, Halliburton to name two.
     
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  15. Callumity

    Callumity Noble Member

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    The ‘set up’ was to give us a referendum in the first place. That was supposed to lance the boil and then allow them to shaft us with further integration.

    Unfortunately the conspiracy turned to cock up when we voted the wrong way and did not sufficiently buy into Project Fear. They have been scrambling to recapture us ever since.

    Just remember the E.U. Army was never going to happen.......there’s a cheque in the post, of course I love you and no...........

    And it does matter to me that we never voted for the drunken, crooked E.U. hierarchy and cannot even sack them. May is following the Juncker playbook “when it gets difficult, lie”.
     
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  16. Sprinter

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    I think it was planned for this result.
    The Referendum was held in the tiny space between the Queens 90th and Engaland getting kicked out the European Championship. A more patriotic window you could not find 10 years either side of that date. Conspiracy much?
     
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  17. MrOrange

    MrOrange The Lunatics have definitely taken over !!!!
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    The cock up was letting Boris drive around in a bus, telling a big fucking lie. :mad:

    Absolutely fuckin shameful. :pensive:

    He did this for fame and power, now look at the feckin state we're in. The man should be in prison for fraud.
     
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  18. Sprinter

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  19. andypandy

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    So should every politician. As has been said before, the only person to enter the houses of parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes.
    Over my lifetime i've learned never to believe a word a politician says anyway, or a newspaper.
    If you do you're naive or a mug.
    That goes for the BBC too.
     
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  20. Callumity

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    The true figure is nearer £395M so where is the lie? It was an indication of how much we send and how our priorities differ from theirs. For every tenner we sent them we got £3 back to be spent on ‘their’ priorities and they kept the other £7.

    Meanwhile Veruca and the Dutch Rutte and others can’t wait to tell us to accept their deal. Didn’t vote for them either.

    Boris’ motives? Possibly but that doesn’t undermine the fundamental democratic deficit of the EU racket or the extent to which we fund it while buying 20% of all German car output.

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