Risk Compensation

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  1. Biker Jock

    Biker Jock Well-Known Member

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    An interesting article on why ABS (and other safety devices) doesn't seem to be reducing motorcycle fatalities. One explanation, it mentions, could be 'risk compensation', whereby the rider (driver, mountaineer, etc) feels safer because of safety aids and therefore takes more risk.

    I've never triggered the ABS on my bikes, maybe because I'm a wuss, or (I like to think) because I'm progressive but smooth, have good observation and lots of experience. But I do like the buzz of riding a bike - it's why I do it - and that buzz comes from making progress and feeling I'm controlling a risk. Once that risk is removed, I'll need to get the buzz back and that will be from going faster or finding something else that feeds a need for controlling risk.

    If there is no risk to control and no buzz, what's the point?

    https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/features/bikes/why-isnt-abs-saving-our-lives
     
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  2. half ton

    half ton Elite Member

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    Never had ABS on a bike..and don't bloody want it
     
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  3. Rspete

    Rspete Well-Known Member

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    It's abs.......not hiv. :joy: that's definitely what ya don't bloody want!
     
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  4. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Volvo syndrome!
     
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  5. Wishbone

    Wishbone Senior Member

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    Could it be because most bikes on the road don't have it?

    It only became compulsory in for 2016 on models, that leaves a lot of bikes without?
     
  6. half ton

    half ton Elite Member

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    Oh sorry I thought he said IBS....thats no fun when riding a bike.:D
     
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  7. Rspete

    Rspete Well-Known Member

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    Especially when you have 1 piece leathers on! :joy:
     
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  8. Biker Jock

    Biker Jock Well-Known Member

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    What's the issue? I've never noticed its presence, so don't have a strong view either way. I suppose I'll be grateful if it saves me from a lock-up and tumble in the wet, but can't get that excited otherwise. Interested to understand an alternative viewpoint.
     
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  9. half ton

    half ton Elite Member

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    It's just something else to go wrong Jock...I think BMW bikes have had a few problems in the past,I like to keep it as simple as possible,I have the same view on all these cornering stability control gizmo's they seem to be putting on now as well.Just me and the bike is what I like.... call me a dinosaur if you want but it's how I feel.:)
     
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  10. Tigcraft

    Tigcraft Not Well Known Member
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    As for abs on earlier beemers, they generally are less desirable and non abs are more in demand.
    On another level, new learner 125s are now ‘linked brakes or abs’ which is interesting to watch as new novice riders doing CBTs bin bikes on slow walking pace manoeuvres by normally filtering the rear brakes and the front automatically comes on strong and jolts the bloody thing like a pogo stick! Now where’s the safe improvements there?
     
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  11. RSReggie

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    I never wanted abs and never use it but this week I can round a tight bend to find a stationary can . Braked hard leant over and felt the abs doing it's thing. I MAY have been fine but was reassuring the Abs had my back ...
     
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  12. RSReggie

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    I never wanted abs and never use it but this week I came round a tight bend to find a stationary can in the middle. Braked hard leant over and felt the abs doing it's thing. I MAY have been fine but was reassuring the Abs had my back ...
     
  13. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    ABS is the only 'rider aid' that I would ever want, and even then I'm not too bothered one way or the other. I certainly don't need/want riding modes etc. Nor do I want to pay for 'em. If I put my mind to it I could feel insulted!:mad:
     
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  14. Biker Jock

    Biker Jock Well-Known Member

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    Cheers half ton. Yes, I'm with you on that. The ABS doesn't bother me because I don't know it's there, but I do like to feel it's my skill that keeps me right-way-up, not rider modes/aids/etc. Those buttock-clenching moments, when you smell diesel or see that telltale ribbon of rainbow in the wet aren't fun, but there is satisfaction when you keep it together rather than rely on electronics.
     
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  15. Wessa

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    How many of us get on our bikes and think I have lots of rider aids so I'm going to ride like a nutter? For me I'm not consciously thinking about ABS or anything else on the bike, I just get on and ride. This is no different to before when I rode with none of the modern day aids. And just as before I can still have some mad moments when I do stupid things........
     
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  16. andyc1

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    Im in the abs is a good thing camp. Can't see a valid argument against it unless your on a track or off road. Love the rider aids on the superduke, it has a LOT of power. IMO modern bikes with so much power do benefit from TC. Does my head in on the thruxton though, mainly because its either on or off, no inbetween and when its on it cuts in too soon. Its a class sensation on the KTM, giving it the beans powering out of a corner and feeling the rear squirm about :), something I would never do without TC!
     
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  17. Rspete

    Rspete Well-Known Member

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    I really don't mind having aids. Rosie rs is riddled with aids.
     
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  18. Rocker

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    Had moment on the Triton (seat of your pants stuff inc shit brakes), came round a corner on a fast road 100 mph corner on a sports bike (if it was on a track;))
    to see a broken down car NOT (foreigner waiting to make a claim!!!) had to do a 60mph swerve round him with a car coming the other way :mad: if I was on a modern bike would have tried to stop a hit him and been dead
     
  19. Tiglet

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    I’m in the similar camp I never think whilst riding a bike OK I’ve ABS or Traction Control so I’ll push the envelope. I ride as I’ve done for the last 53 years.

    I bet there’s a lot in the cemetery who’s life’s were cut short whilst riding that may have been saved with one of the rider aids.
     
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  20. Wessa

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    I agree Andy they are a good thing, my point was that I don't think about them when I get on the bike:):), so I don't think they influence my riding.
     
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