Number Plates

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  1. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Hey guys,
    Is it possible to get smaller number plates that the standard one and still be complying? I'd like to get a smaller one than the standard dealer's number plate. I've just read the DVLA link about the rules and regulations (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/359317/INF104_160914.pdf)
    I cannot see any mention about the size of the plate, only rules about the typo and sizes of letters, numbers, spacing...

    Any help or experience on this would be helpful.

    Best
    Matthieu
     
  2. Rooster

    Rooster Grumpy Member
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    Your link tells you that you must have an 11mm margin around the letters and numbers. So this will determine the plate size.

    So I have a friend with the bike reg CU8. He would only need a small plate. But for a normal AB12 CDE

    OR

    AB12
    CDE

    You would end up with a standard plate size.
     
  3. steve lovatt

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    I have standard plates on the Triumphs but a smaller than legal one on the Enfield otherwise it obscures the reflector. Never had any bother.
     
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  4. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Thank you Rooster, I understand.
     
  5. SamC

    SamC Well-Known Member

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    I run a slightly smaller plate, I've never had any problems
     
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  6. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Thank you SamC and Steve, I'll check and try to get a slightly smaller one.
     
  7. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    #7 crispey, Jun 1, 2016
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    heres a comparison for you the large plate(legal) is 8.5 x 9.5 the smaller one (cough cough) is 6 x 8 the letters are the same 2.5 inches high

    image.jpeg image.jpeg

    The larger size looks stupid if you have a tail tidy on
     
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  8. steve lovatt

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    I've even been getting away with a cheeky black and silver one! 2015-11-12 16.54.15.jpg
     
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  9. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

    Mar 16, 2016
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    Hi Crispey,
    That's exactly what I'm looking for, thank you very much for this.
    Do you recommend any specific place to get one of these in London? I'm sure this is not difficult to get one but a tip is always useful.
    Cheers
    Matthieu
     
  10. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Nice one :) !
     
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  11. steve lovatt

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    Half ton sets himself up perfectly there!

    "Never thought we would be owning up to who has the smallest one .... I have never had a pull" :eek::eek::eek:
     
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  12. Wasp

    Wasp Well-Known Member

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    I've always run a smaller plate than standard legal.

    If you don't take the proverbial, you'll be fine. I think the legal size is 9"x7", but I'm currently running 8x6, and have done for years. Never been pulled yet. Plenty of the online makers deliver next day.

    ATB

    Bob
     
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  13. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Ahahaha, Indeed! This is a one off :D
     
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  14. wurzel

    wurzel Member

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    I ran with a 7x5 for years and never had any problems. Loads on e-bay for under a tenner
     
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  15. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Can't recommend anywhere in london, but if you go in say it's for display purposes and you'll be fine
     
  16. H.O.

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    The law states that under the Construction & Use Regulations a number plate has to be of a specific size with specific sized lettering of a specific style lettering and it must have the plate maker's name, post code and BSAU 145d marked on it.
    You should have to show either a certificate or vehicle documents relating to said vehicle to an approved maker to obtain the plate.
    The law does now recognize Country flags, i.e Scotland, England, Ireland & Wales and makes provision for a SMALL flag to be displayed on the left hand side bottom of the plate in place of the E.U. flag which is optional anyway.
    Lettering must not be spaced to make up names, fixing screws must not alter digits and must all be on a yellow or white reflective back-ground after 1 Jan 1973 (I think)
    You can have a thin border, but no pretty patterns, 'Triumph' or anything in the back-ground.
    All plates should be mounted vertically. (so the gatso's/av.spd. camera's can get you!)
    Most plate makers at shows or eBay will state that the plates they make are not road legal and are show plates only to cover themselves, they may not even call them registration plates!
    They will not put a BSAU 145d or post code on.
    Police powers can be very stringent, plates that are obviously taking the piss can get a vehicle taken off the road there and then, at the very least you may have to get the vehicle mot'ed even if its less than 3 years old with conforming plate(s) + a fixed penalty fine for the 1st offence, more severe for repeat offenders.
    My mate in Chelmsford proved this last bit, got done 3 times, twat, 3rd time it went to court with a total of £250 fine & costs.!!
    The copper was a jobsworth like that Nairn git on the box, couldn't say a thing without him interpreting it as an 'answer back', did him for a noisy exhaust even though the laws have changed on that too, only ones illegal now are marked 'not for road use' and its down to the Police/Vosa or MOT tester to decide if the decibels are too high, he did!
    All down to some bastard in a curly wig not liking bikers in the court too!!!
    So there you go, is it worth the risk?, it depends very much on your area, I know Welsh forces don't like bikers from over the border, Derbyshire seemed o.k. when I lived there, had better things to do unless you antagonized them, up here they don't seem bothered at all!
    Certainly if I was touring County/Countrywide I wouldn't chance it though, the knives may be out!
    Terry
     
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  17. steve lovatt

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    Although I removed the black and silver plate for the MOT today - the Enfield passed with it's 7 x 5 yellow plate and virtually un- 2016-06-02 12.36.45.jpg silenced exhaust.
     
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  18. MattScrambler

    MattScrambler Member

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    Nice ride your Enfield.
     
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  19. steve lovatt

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    It's going to be a Scrambler when it grows up!
     
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  20. H.O.

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    Good news there then Steve, exhaust noise level is soley down to the examiner, another might have failed it or put an 'advisory'.
    Just checked my plate, its and odd size, 6x8, but has the makers details and BSAU 145d, by the look of the screws its been on it all its life as I have paper work going back to the original purchaser, Rafferty Newman of Portsmouth.
    I got to be REALLY unlucky to get a copper stroppy enough to nick me for that!!!!!
     
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