How Sealed Should Valve Seats Be?

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  1. StuarT595

    StuarT595 Active Member

    Nov 19, 2020
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    SO...bit of a problem...when lapping in the valves I lost focus (talking) when cleaning up the valves from one cylinder after grinding, and have ‘possibly’ put the two pairs down the wrong way round? Just a fleeting moment where I thought ‘s@&t’ I lost concentration there...and then the old ‘did I lock the door’ syndrome kicked in.

    I’ve really closely checked and compared the newly lapped rings and feel reasonably confident I’ve got it right, but not 100%?

    I’ve tried shining a strong light through the seats, with the valves interchanged - zero light shining through in any configuration, which was annoying.

    Finally I felt-tipped the seats and tried a very light spin with some more paste (in the configuration I believed was correct), just to see how things looked, and it looks about right to be fair?

    However, I just want to try one more thing...how long should the valves hold back petrol for if they are indeed the right way round?

    I guess as the petrol slowly creeps around and down the valves, the Molybdenum grease will get rinsed out of the valve stems...or should it not leak at all?

    Anyone know?

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  2. Pegscraper

    Pegscraper Elite Member

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    This obviously depends on how good the lapping process is. With the valves under spring tension I would say they should hold fuel back almost indefinitely. On the Z1 head I worked on years ago, fuel would seep away in less than a minute with just the weight of the valve on the seat but stopped when the springs were fitted. I would also check for (dry) movement in the guides, if you think they have been mixed up, to see if there is any difference.
     
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  3. StuarT595

    StuarT595 Active Member

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    Many thanks, PS...there appeared to be no differences in the guides. The valves again gave nothing away, they rotated and slid in and out, seating with a satisfying ‘clunk’ in both configurations.
    My thought is that the valves could not have been perfect replicas of each other (though they are damnably close), nor their seats so, in the wrong configuration, I’m hoping it might be obvious with a petrol test (even though they appeared to be sealed to light).
    Fingers crossed that, if the wrong way round, they’ll leak like a sieve for me!
    Glad to hear they should otherwise be petrol tight over a sustained period, though, many thanks for that very much needed insight.
     
  4. Pegscraper

    Pegscraper Elite Member

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    When checking the guides, check for excessive wobble with the valve 2/3 of the way in. Then lube the stem with some light oil, insert in the guide until the valve top appears at the other end. Then put a finger over the end of the guide (camshaft end) and you should get a "pop" when you pull the valve out which indicates a good stem seal.
     
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