Front sprocket - worst case scenario ?

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by Bensley, Oct 26, 2014.

  1. Bensley

    Bensley New Member

    Oct 26, 2014
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    I'm half way to Austria, deep in the Black Forest on my 2003 Bonneville T100, and I hear a knocking from inside the engine and you can feel a slight judder with each knock or click. It only happens at low revs/speeds and initially only in low gears but now in 3rd too.

    Anyway reading frantically the entire internet it seems common place on Bonnies and the like that the large 36mm nut comes loose next to the front sprocket, something to do with the locking washer and how it works/doesn't work.

    My question is I have 1 days riding to get to my base in Kitzbuhel, home from home. What is the worst case scenario if this part is broken?

    Is it something easy to re-tighten?

    Am I going to do serious damage to the engine? Gears, or whatever if I continue to ride or can I limp back home carefully, about 5 hours riding. And then get it looked at with a triumph dealer or is that overkill and I can do it myself?

    So many questions. Sorry. But I'm freaking out, just bought my dream bike, and it's broken :-( would love for an easy fix and to get that massive smile back on my face I've had for the last few days.

    Thanks for your help!!!
     
  2. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    #2 stevethegoolie, Oct 26, 2014
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    Oh dear, this does not sound too good. I'm not very familiar with the Bonnie and its little foibles, but I wonder if you can get some long nosed pliers into where the gearbox sprocket is and try to waggle it about (a technical term!) to see if it is loose. If it is that, I would try to get it to the nearest bike dealer of any persuasion to see if they can/will help you. If the sprocket did come off, it could cause the chain to fall off and possibly jam the rear wheel. Of course, it may be something completely different and not that important. As I say, I have no practical experience of Bonnies and it may just be something simple that's come a bit loose, but be careful with it until you can get it checked over. Hopefully a bit of 'summat and nowt'. Good luck with it!
     
  3. Richard H

    Richard H Noble Member

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    If you suspect the nut is coming loose on the drive sprocket you must remove the cover over the sprocket and check. It will be obvious if it is loose, a tab of the locking washer should be bent over and against a flat of the nut. I would certainly not continue to ride, worst case is the chain comes off and jams the back wheel as well as smashing the drive case.
    As a temporary fix you may be able to tighten the nut with an adjustable spanner if you are without a proper socket spanner and torque wrench, then use a screwdriver and hammer to tap the locking washer over the flat of the nut. You must then get it properly tightened and torqued asap. I would also check the drive chain for tightness, check the rear wheel is inline and correctly adjusted.
    If you do a google search on T100 drive sprocket you will find a schematic showing the sprocket, nut and locking washer.

    If its not the drive sprocket or chain check the rear wheel bearings by checking for any side to side movement of the wheel while on it's stand, check the wheel rotates freely for a full circuit of the chain. If in doubt use your European breakdown cover (hoping you have it!) get it checked and don't continue to ride. Hope you get it sorted, please let us know how it goes.
     
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  4. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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    Yeah, agree with Richard H - have just replaced my 18 tooth with a 19 tooth sprocket, so now know this bit of the bike quite well. The tab of the locking washer, which is a pretty thick, should be flattened firmly against one flat of the nut, holding it in place. The nut should be tightend up to 132Nm. If it is loose you must get it tightened - an adjustable spanner should do it as a road side fix, especially if you can knock the tab of the washer down tight against it.
     
  5. Bensley

    Bensley New Member

    Oct 26, 2014
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    After extensively reading up about the suspected issue and finding nearby garages on the internet which I could ride to the next morning, which was a total mission in itself. They were all either on holiday or closed on Mondays, or one place which was only open between 5pm and 6pm during the week! I ended up stumbling upon a Louis, this is a huge store in Europe only for motorbikes. The guy there was helpful enough to lend me some tools to take the cover off and have a look for myself. The bolt was FIRMLY in place, with the washer bent flat against one side. Good news and also bad news as I then had no idea what it could be.

    I cleaned around the sprocket and the inside of the cover and the guy from the shop said, "your chain looks a bit dry". So we got some chain spray and applied it whilst turning the rear wheel with the bike on its centre stand. Waited for 30 mins for it to dry fully and then I set off in the direction of a motorbike sales shop that had a workshop attached. However the noise was gone. I was obviously very hesitant and rode to this other shop, via a petrol station, but no noise. Nothing. I carried on carefully but by the end of the day I'd ridden back to Austria, my god its cold here already, and there was no more noise.

    I really don't understand. Could the chain be the wrong tension? Can a dry chain slip or grip too much and yank the other components around?

    Surely some chain spray can't fix something like that. By all evidence points in that direction.

    I spent the entire morning thoroughly cleaning and polishing my bike. See attached image:

    But given that its now so clean and I rode a lot in the last 3 days I think I'll give it a well deserved rest today. My first experience of Bonneville ownership was amazing, the Ardennes, the Black Forest, some beautiful scenery on an amazing machine that is great fun. Plus I've never had so many comments like "nice bike mate" in my life!

    A massive thanks for your help!
     
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  6. Bensley

    Bensley New Member

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    Bensley New Member

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  8. Recycled Rocker

    Recycled Rocker Senior Member

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    I wonder if you had a seized/tight spot in the chain. If so would expect it to make the noise by spinning back wheel off ground, no engine running. Seems a long shot tho? Maybe this would be sorted by oiling/spraying?
    Just a hindsight thought if that chain were really dry? hope it goes well now. ps I did 19 tooth conversion as well.
     
  9. Richard H

    Richard H Noble Member

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    Glad it was something that simple, probably need to lube the chain every 300 miles or after riding in heavy rain.
     
  10. SteveJ

    SteveJ Super Moderator

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    yep sounds like a couple of seized links, never good for the chain as it tightens and loosens all the time.

    Keep an eye on it but it should be okay :smile:
     
  11. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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    As our bikes are of a similar age I'm not surprised that they are the same colour ,but I'm amazed that we appear to have the same stickers on the side panel! IMG_20140917_095052613.jpg

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