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exhaust/decat gains?

Discussion in 'Speed Triple' started by franky, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. franky

    franky Member

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    Looking at a 2016 speed triple R, however after riding it coming off a mt10 demo it felt like it could do with a bit more shove.

    What sort of gains once properly set up do cans/decat/full system give?

    Thanks all.
     
  2. 711jrp

    711jrp Active Member

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    Very little if any would be my bet, I say bet as it's the 2016 and triumph say there is 100-odd changes but when manufactures claim that it normally means sod all has really changed. My experience with the earlier model the 2013 was I could hardly tell the difference but worth it for the noise alone.
    I'm kinda in the same boat as you, I've had two of the later speedys a normal ABS and now a R and was eagerly waiting to pull the trigger on the new 2016-R but frankly I was quite disappointing with the new bike, the same bike as mine but shortchanged on spec a fair bit, no more power and an electronic package that doesn't interest me much on a low power bike like the speedy.( just to clarify that point...I don't have any trouble controlling wheelys or spinning up with mine so why would I want a controler to help). The upshot of this is sadly I've started to look elsewhere tried the S1000r and rr the other day......That had a great engine but I still prefer my triple, going to try the Tuono next.
     
  3. franky

    franky Member

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    Given that they're so strangled by emissions regs now, I would have thought there's a bit more to come if properly setup.

    the 2016 engine did feel much nicer, it had a decent gearbox also which was a surprise.
     
  4. 711jrp

    711jrp Active Member

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    Didn't feel any better to me at all really, maybe a bit different but I wouldn't have said nicer , I just felt like I was being rumped with the price tag considering there are now bikes out there with a huge chunk more power for the same money and in the case of the MT10 that you mention quite a bit cheaper.
     
  5. franky

    franky Member

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    you'll get a new one for about 10k.

    I've been offered two, ex demo but with less than 100miles on them for 10k, so I'm judging it at the same price as the mt10 or a used approved s1000r.

    The triumph does have a nicer build quality.
     
  6. 711jrp

    711jrp Active Member

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    I wouldn't ever buy a ex deno for the fact it's had the nuts trashed off it from day 1 but that's me. You don't have to convert me I love my speedy both this and the last have been flawless in the time I've had them 18k on the R. All I'm saying is the power figure was good in 2011 but is a bit long in the tooth now. let's face it that is the reason for this thread is it not.
     
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  7. littleade

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    When you say you want more 'shove' franky, what you might be after is more torque? (Torque being the rate at which the engines power is delivered) If so maybe a twin would be worth a try.I had an aftermarket exhaust fitted to a BMW 10 years ago and the cat removed which transformed the bike. I had a go on the BMW R1200RS and the throttle response on that was very good. Being a twin the engine braking was superb too making 4th gear overtakes just a roll on roll off on the throttle. Keep having the demo rides, I'm sure you'll find what you're after.
     
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  8. franky

    franky Member

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    There's no twins that appeal.

    Its only lacking a little.

    There's 80mile old bikes that aren't 'demo' bikes for sale at 10k, which makes them a sensible buy. 10800 gets a zero mile one.
     
  9. 711jrp

    711jrp Active Member

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    £10800 for a zero mile R is definitely cheap, I couldn't find one at that price when I was looking a couple of weeks ago.
     
  10. littleade

    littleade Elite Member
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    Well good luck with your search-it's not much fun if you're undecided on what to get
     
  11. franky

    franky Member

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    It is a pain being undecided.

    I can't understand how no-one really knows decat and pipe gains etc?
     
  12. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !
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    As a general principle, removing cats aids exhaust gas flow, so it the bike's fuelling has been corrected to take into account this greater input/output flow then there will be better response and potentially more power.

    However with regard to your specific bike it looks like no-one on here has spent the money (and had the balls) on this new bike to do it yet.

    Maybe have a look on Triumph.rat forum?
     
  13. roadrider

    roadrider Noble Member
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    People have done it on the Rat forum and the gains are negligible.
    I nearly did it to my 08 Speed but decided it wasn't worth the effort,plus it could be a problem at MOT time(not certain about this though)
    The 1050 engine doesn't seem to lend itself to tuning and the only real power gains seem to be from bolting a supercharger on.
    As thebiglad said have a look on the TriumphRat site there's a fair bit of info on there.
    Yes,the 1050 engine is getting a bit long in the tooth but it's still a great road engine.
    Probably the best £ per bhp deal at the moment is the MT10
     
  14. franky

    franky Member

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    With the newer engine, being strangled by euro4 emissions, you'd think there's some room for improvement though?
     
  15. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !
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    OK Franky, I can see you want some specific info.

    "Removing the full exhaust system and replacing with an Arrows 2 pipe set-up with give 11bhp more."

    I've tried to say to you that there doesn't appear to be anyone on here who can give you the info you want, but you don't appear to be taking the hint. RR and littleade have also made contributions to similar effect.

    Why don't you buy one, do the exhaust mods and give us the before and after numbers?
     
  16. franky

    franky Member

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    Hi Thanks!

    I guessed there wouldn't be anyone with the new one done yet, the older should give a good idea though. I guess that was mostly in the midrange?
     
  17. roadrider

    roadrider Noble Member
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    If you're after more acceleration but not bothered about top speed then a change of gearing would work.
    If I remember correctly a 45 tooth rear sprocket should do the trick.
    Perhaps that with a full race system might give you what you're looking for.
     
  18. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !
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    To be honest all the 'fruity' exhausts I've installed have boosted gas flow but the noticeable difference is on full throttle and at higher revs.

    However the remaps I've been involved with have benefited the mid-range. I think this is due to the removal of anti-pollution kit such as the Cat., the AI and the O² sensors; then re-mapping to avoid the lean midrange. But this is not something most owners already to do on a new bike, still under manufacturers warranty.
     
  19. littleade

    littleade Elite Member
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    Couple of things I forgot to add franky. Firstly my replacement exhaust had the eu stamp on it so was street legal, they also changed the management chip to take account of the reduction of back pressure caused by taking the cat off and fitting the more free flowing exhaust. The whole package was also BMW approved so didn't affect my warrenty. Personally with a new bike I'd not fit anything that may invalidate the warrenty and wasn't approved by the manufacturer. As above fitting a pipe without it being road legal could be a pain at mot time, plus if you get stopped by plod that could be the difference between a bollocking and a ticket. Again it's obviously your choice.
     
  20. franky

    franky Member

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    local dealers are happy as long as its all properly mapped etc.
     
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