Dreaded Check Engine Light

Discussion in 'Speed Triple' started by NBB, Sep 1, 2020.

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  1. NBB

    NBB Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2020
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    Went out for my first proper ride after the run in service. Got 200 miles in and the engine management light pops up (amber) with a check engine message.

    No drop in performance or limp mode etc. Nothing changed at all part from cruise wouldn’t work after it came on. Limp mode never engaged.

    Called triumph assist and they advised to ride home if there was no performance loss. Called the dealer today and they advised to cold start until the fan kicks in and cycle this 3 times making sure the engine was stone cold before each restart and this should cause the engine light to go out if it’s nothing to serious. This didn’t work, so now it’s got to go in tomorrow morning.

    Bike is 5 weeks old with 834 miles on the clock.

    Let’s see what happens.
     
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  2. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    Two words ...... points, condenser! If you need a third word then try distributor.o_O
    Ah, happy days.:)
    Yes ...... I really am that old!:(
    Hope it gets fixed to your satisfaction.:grinning:
     
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  3. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    As the bike is brand new don’t bugger around with it, let the dealer sort it.
     
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  4. NBB

    NBB Well-Known Member

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    That’s the plan.
     
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  5. NBB

    NBB Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2020
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    #5 NBB, Sep 2, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2020
    Got there for 9am this morning. They took the bike straight in and hooked up to the computer. Bike was back in 10 mins all done.
    It had thrown a random brake light switch fault. That explains zero performance loss but cruise control not working.
    Anyway, all done and nothing to serious.
    Shout out to Triumph West Yorkshire as even though they were booked up in the workshop until mid October, they still squeezed me in and got me sorted.
     
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  6. Tallpaul

    Tallpaul Noble Member

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    Sounds familiar, I had exactly this problem with my 2019 Speed Twin.
     
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  7. ChasChas

    ChasChas Marxist Scum

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    As others have said above, with those sort of miles and esp just after a dealers service it's their problem, not yours.
    What I'll add in case anybody is looking at this thread trying to fathom an eml on an older bike is that I can read codes and clear them with a cheap (less than a tenner) code reader that connects to your phone via an app. (free with ads, two or three quid to be ad free). Bought it for the 18 year old car and was pleasantly surprised to find it work on the 18 year old bike. Worth having in the toolkit.
     
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  8. NBB

    NBB Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2020
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    Happened again today. Luckily I was only a few miles from the dealers.
    Hooked it up to the diagnostics and exact same problem.
    Reported to a triumph HQ for next steps.
     
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  9. ChasChas

    ChasChas Marxist Scum

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    Tangent...
    Mate of mine has recently picked up a Suzi GT380 Ramair. With an ignition glitch. The solution being ditch the Boyer Bransden unit and go back to points and condensers :D
    Fag paper for timing optional
     
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  10. Wassers

    Wassers Active Member

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    I've got the engine management light on my 2019 Speed Twin too. Tried the 3 cold to hot starting cycle method and that didn't resolve it, so taking it into my dealer tomorrow. Still performs as normal, so hoping its nothing drastic considering the bike is out of warranty.
     
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  11. brown mouse

    brown mouse Elite Member

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    If you've got a cheap OBD2 code reader laying around it may give you a clue, at least to get an error code you can look up online or ask here about.

    I got a 20 quid ODB2 reader off Amazon after my car dealer charged me 60 quid to tell me that an O2 sensor was bust, which the cheapo reader could tell me. They are generally handy things to have around to know if a vehicle fault is serious or just something that you can ignore for now, (like a bust O2 sensor).

    I'm assuming here the Speed Twin has the standard ODB2 connector like my Speedmaster does, otherwise there may be an adaptor needed too.

    As it is I've now invested in a Bluetooth connected OBD2 reader and TuneECU app for my phone so can do my own servicing. I assume that also know about the meaning of Triumph specific error codes too.
     
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  12. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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  13. Wassers

    Wassers Active Member

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    Thx Brown Mouse. Which O
    Thx Brown Mouse. Interesting. Which Bluetooth connected OBD2 reader did you purchase? Do you have a link you can share?
     
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  14. brown mouse

    brown mouse Elite Member

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    #14 brown mouse, Sep 7, 2021
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    I bought the OBDLink LX as it is the recommended one to work with TuneECU app which requires a specific chipset to work, but this is very pricey, about £70 on Amazon. If you don't want to use the TuneECU app and just want to read and reset diagnostic codes then I believe any OBD2 reader will do. Whether bluetooth devices which talk to a phone app you need to install or the self contained ones with their own display. (These seem to be around 20 quid on Amazon). Advantage of a bluetooth reader is they're smaller and I carry mine with my toolkit. :)

    There are a bunch of generic error codes all vehicles support, plus manufacturer specific ones you could probably find the meaning of if required with a Google search of asking on a forum.

    The specific things I get from TuneECU is for servicing: i.e.
    • Display Manifold Absolute Pressure so can balance throttle bodies
    • Reset ECU 'learning' after changes. I've also used this to fix my bike when it started running rough for no apparent reason. For some reason it seams to learn bad habits. (Happened one before as well which was fixed by dealer resetting learning).
    • Reset service interval (i.e. get rid of spanner symbol on display)
    • Drive ABS pump when changing brake fluid
    You can also use TuneECU to change engine map, but this is not something I want to play around with, don't trust software not to have bugs and brick the ECU or break engine.

    I've just looked and TuneECU is no longer available on Google Play store, it was a couple of weeks ago when I installed it on my new phone. The app is just available on the developers web site, don't know the reason for that.
     
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  15. Iceman

    Iceman Crème de la Crème

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    OBD was he in Star Wars
     
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  16. Jet City

    Jet City Noble Member
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    His son was OBD2. More intellectual character than his dad. ;)
     
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