Anyone fitted the Norman Hyde RBS565's on their SE?

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  1. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    I've just got a pair and although the fitting looks straight forward I can't work out how the centre stand bracket works. To quote NH's instructions "Mount new Side stand up-stop bracket to left centre stand lug as shown above. And then a B&W grainy picture of the right hand side of an SE. All the stand gubbins are on the left hand side of the bike. What the hell is a Centre Stand Lug? If any of you chaps have installed these pipes please can you explain how and where the bracket fits.
     
  2. stevethegoolie

    stevethegoolie Elite Member

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    My guess is that you are looking at some sort of a 'stop' to prevent the centre stand crashing into the exhaust pipe/silencer or something similar when the bike is rolled off the stand and it springs back into the up position.

    OR ... I'm just talking bollox after completely misunderstanding your problem!:confused:
     
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  3. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    #3 MickEng, Feb 13, 2017
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    Best getting the bike up on a jack if you can and then slowly move the stands one by one to see what is happening.
    It shouldn't be too difficult to see any areas of collision or where the stops want to be.
    When I replaced the r/h silencer after accessing the rear spindle nut, I got the clamping ring ever so slightly out of position which would not allow the centre stand to return upwards. I quickly rectified it, but it surprised me just how little clearance there was on the standard OEM parts never mind after market bits. Look real carefully and you will find a solution.
    If you haven't got a jack, get someone to hold your bike, but you need to be able to move both stands freely.
    Good luck
     
  4. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

    Oct 17, 2014
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    Thanks for the response guys. I think I've sussed out what to do. The bracket goes on the centre stand mounting lug. I think I need to remove the centre stand nut then like Mick says jack the bike up or get someone to hold it whilst I position the stop then replace the nut and tighten it back up - this is used to stop the side stand hitting the exhaust. The lh pipe has a bracket welded on, this is for the centre stand. I just use the rubber stops from my original lh pipe. I'm not fitting them till Friday but I just wanted to get my head around how the hell this bracket fitted first.... watch this space.
     
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  5. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    #5 Eric_H, Feb 16, 2017
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    Update: Fitted the pipes last night and it was a relatively painless operation. The side stand up bracket does as suspected bolt to the centre stand lug and this was straightforward even with the bike still on the centre stand. The worst bit was fitting the rubber stops from the original exhaust to the new pipes and side stand bracket but with hot water, soap and a little perseverance this was doable.

    I've not had the bike on the road yet but the exhaust note does sound fantastic on idle and even better when you open the throttle.
     
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  6. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    Took the bike for a spin and the sound is great, not to loud when just cruising along but if you open the throttle and accelerate hard it's loud but not unpleasant. On the first try it was popping back exessesivly when the throttle was closed after accelerating hard so I took the bike home and blocked the air injection feed from the air filter then took it for another spin. The pooping has gone and the bike is more responsive on low throttle and accelerates away smother. (Thanks BigLad for this tip) At some point I'm going to compleatly remove the AI. Is anyone else running these pipes with a remap and if so what map did you go for?
     
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  7. crispey

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    Speak to triumph twin power. Depending on weather your pipes are straight through and wether your going for aurbox removal/ breathe. Consider getting all your mods done before choosing your map
     
  8. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    The pipes are straight through. I need to do more reasearch regarding SA removal and I'm a bit worried about mucking about to much with the air filter because of induction roar. I don't want to end up with some thing I'm not happy with so instead of a Big Bang I'm going for the slow push :) I've looked at TTP but I'm wondering if I'd get the same or similar results using one of the maps that you can download from TuneECU, particularly the Arrow 2 into 2 map. I've looked at all the maps on the site but none of them mention Norman Hyde peashooters. Removing the AI is defiantly the first step.
     
  9. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    Update:
    I've just blocked off SAI, the TTP removal kit is waiting to go on and I will do this once I'm happy. I'm still running the standard map in the ECU (20506) The idle speed fluctuates a little on tick over (960 - 1060) and when I first fitted the pipes the engine surged quite a lot at low town speed. I did the adaptation routine and disabled SAI on the ECU and although the engine still surges a little at low throttle (25-30 mph) it's not as bad. My question is: Because the ECU is adaptive will the system learn the best parameters over the next few hundred miles or will I be stuck with erratic idle and a slight surge until I find a map for my NH pipes?

    Why is there so much conflicting information on the internet regarding remapping the ECU on the Triumph machines?
     
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  10. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Because lots of peeps talk shit without ever having done the work !

    When I had my T100 I replaced the air filter for a free-flow foam one, removed the SAI and the O² sensors, fitted open pipes and installed the TTP Map no 3, which is a modified version of the std. 20506 map. With the O² sensors removed and a new map your surging should stop. Any doubts speak to TTP.

    On the subject of "finding the right map" don't get too knotted up about this, open pipes are open pipes.

    My bike ran smoother and with more grunt than before, so all I can say is that if I have an EFI Bonny in the future I would definitely go the TTP route again, no question.
     
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  11. MickEng

    MickEng Noble Member

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    This is exactly why I havent modified my EFI.
    I believe in leaving well alone and may decide never to do these SAI mods as I do not fully understand the new fangled ECUs etc.
    biglad has given great advice and I am confident that what he says together with another italian sounding guy from the Triumph Rat forum is perfectly pukka, but my bike runs great, is delivering 75mpg on motorway runs, good around town, so no issues whatsoever only a bit of 'popping' on deceleration which I can live with.
     
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  12. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    If it works for you Mick - which it obviously does! - leave it well alone would be my motto as well.
     
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  13. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    Thanks for the response and input Dave.

    I am leaning towards the TTP Tune 3 option and removing O², replacing the Air box cover and filter but I just wanted to get the bike running straight with the NH Peashooters and a map that is readily available like TORS, Arrow etc.. Looks like the maps are a bit hit or miss from what I've found on the net.

    To be fair it's not running to bad as is but I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I want to iron out the idle and slight surging. It actually pulls like a train without any hesitation and it does sound fantastic.
     
  14. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    I'm a computer tech by trade so messing with the maps isn't a problem and doesn't worry me. I'm just want the bike to run and behave like a bike. The Air Injection is a joke and imho something that should never been on a bike in the first place so I've made a project out of removing it and I'm learning a bit more about how the bike works.
     
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  15. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Just a piece of info for you Eric if you go down the road of TTP tunes - they are set up to work WITHOUT the O² sensors being in place.
     
  16. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    Yes I've called TTP and they did say their maps require the removal of the O² sensors and the AI and Tune 3 requires the Air box baffle to be removed too. I will probably order the Tune 3 at some point having spent the best part of 400 quid on the exhaust, be daft to stop there.

    Just out of interest what was the fuel consumption like after you had done the mods using the TTP tune?
     
  17. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Hi Eric, I would get on average about 53mpg and it didn't seem to vary much between cruising and arse-on-fire riding
     
  18. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    #18 Eric_H, Mar 14, 2017
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    Thanks Dave,

    That's not to bad at all and not much different from stock. Ive seen some horror stories where people have put the after market pipe map in and their MPG has dropped through the floor. The worry for me is throwing money at the bike and ending up with something I'm not happy with. I changed the exhaust because the original ones are a bit characterless. I've got the sound I'm after but the down side has been the slight niggles I've mentioned. It's not like I'm after real performance increase just the bike to sound less like a sewing machine and more like a twin and to be tolerable at low throttle.
     
  19. tumpbro

    tumpbro Member

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    I fitted NH togas to my 2014 T100 and they were a straight forward change over with the OEM pipes. I had to bend the side-stand foot lever so it didn't strike the can and change over the rubber centre stand stop. I had removed AI system so when I had my second service Triumph couldn't access computer to remap. I refitted the AI and after remap, big difference in response, with a slight drop in mpg. (55 mpg)
    I love the sound of the togas and see that now Triumph have made the new Bonnies sound better. I like the look of the new version but don't fancy a 1200cc bike.
     
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  20. Eric_H

    Eric_H Member

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    Hi Trumpbro,

    Once I had worked out how to fit the little centre stand bracket the fitting was easy and I didn't have to bend anything.

    I don't see why removing the SAI would stop access to your ECU though. Just out of interest do you know what map they wrote to the ECU?
     
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