Motorcycle Security

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  1. Helmut Visor

    Helmut Visor Only dead fish go with the flow
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    You would have to look at something with the same diameter as one of those holes or attach something to the chain side, unfortunately the round lock is just slightly too fat for that side.
     
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  2. speedrattle

    speedrattle Senior Member

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    looks like an ordinary padlock would fit in one of the holes drilled in the disc.
     
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  3. stinger

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    Just from my experience. Attaching a lock chain side has its disadvantages. You end up getting a greasy lock that leaves you with messy hands every time you use it.
     
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  4. BuIIy

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    Yeah, I was just looking for a decent disc lock to go on the rear disc, and that was small enough to fit under the seat or in a pocket.
     
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  5. Helmut Visor

    Helmut Visor Only dead fish go with the flow
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    The latest update from Pragmasis ;)

    "Hi,

    This is Steve Briggs, founder, owner and Director of Pragmasis Limited, with a major update concerning the Company, my involvement, and the creation of a new business under different ownership and management.

    As many already know, we sadly had to take the decision to close our manufacturing operation last summer. This was caused by many factors, including my deteriorating health and also numerous commercial aspects. We had spent the previous ~5 years trying to achieve a viable plan for succession, to no avail. My health was continuing to worsen and each time we fixed something, something else would hit us. I was determined to conduct the wind-down in an honourable manner, safeguarding staff, customers and suppliers as rigorously as possible. We made multiple final batches of various products as we tried to satisfy demand from many very loyal customers! We had to stop, ultimately, and all stock and machinery was sold to our existing and very loyal resellers as well as direct to customers.

    Despite some rumours, Pragmasis has not gone bust! The wind-down was all completed properly, with no debts outstanding.

    The major good news is that Ben Cope, of Two Tyres Limited, a reseller of ours in London, approached us and, after much discussion, he and I signed a Rights Sale agreement in February of 2025. This authorises Ben, through his new company Pragmasis Engineering Limited, to manufacture and sell all of our Pragmasis/SecurityForBikes range of security products as well as to use the Pragmasis and related brand names and trademarks. I have agreed to continue my involvement on a background and advisory basis over the next 2+ years.

    We have been working together on resuming production of several of the Pragmasis products and new stock will soon become available through the new https://SecurityForBikes.com website (that has replaced the old website). That new production includes Protector 13/16/19mm chains, Torc Mega ground anchors and RoundLocks and is using precisely the same external factories and processes that we used before and under my direction. This guarantees consistent quality, something that Pragmasis has always prioritised. Products that we used to manufacture in-house, such as the Shed Shackle, Anti-Pinch Pin and Double Doofer, are under review with discussions ongoing with local engineering companies to determine if they are able to manufacture them to the same standard.

    Sold Secure and Police Secured-by-Design approvals are being transferred to Pragmasis Engineering in respect of future product sales. Products purchased in the past continue with the certifications they had at the time of purchase – Those approvals have not expired.

    Pragmasis Engineering has taken over all customer liaison including any warranty issues. My brother, David Briggs, continues to be involved. Many of our Pragmasis customers benefited from David’s excellent product knowledge and advice and he will be supporting Ben’s new team through Pragmasis Engineering.

    Our top priority in Pragmasis has always been our ethical and moral conduct so a fundamental element of the handover process has been protecting customer interests. We have obtained consultancy advice on our legal obligations and abilities under GDPR and this e-mail is a result of that. You may not have opted-in to our mailing list in the past but Pragmasis Limited is acting honourably and correctly in informing you that there has been a major change in the company’s situation. Pragmasis Engineering Limited is also entitled to contact you, in very limited circumstances beyond their initial ‘welcome’ message that will follow this message in the near future. Pragmasis Engineering will pick up this handover announcement shortly. The previous company, Pragmasis Limited, will not send any more bulk e-mails to you. Pragmasis Limited will cease to exist, soon.

    If you wish or if this is no longer relevant to you, you can unsubscribe to prevent all further contact by following the link below.

    I would like to thank you and all our customers and suppliers for your support over many years. My late wife, Dr Sarah Walters, and I established the company back in 2003 and it has been a challenging journey but we have helped to raise the bar for physical security products during that time. Some 40,000+ customers have been using our products and many, many thefts have been and are continuing to be thwarted.

    Very sadly, Sarah passed away in 2018. I promised her that I would take care of our other passion – Alvecote Wood Ancient Woodland – and my focus is changing to that, now. I will still be involved in ongoing Pragmasis work on a background production and future product design basis and I am handing over customer liaison to Ben and the new team who will be in touch shortly.

    I wish Ben and his team together with historical and new customers good luck and will help where I can.

    The new customer contact e-mail address is [email protected]

    The website continues to be https://SecurityForBikes.com

    Thank you,

    Stephen Briggs

    Director, Pragmasis Limited, 2003-2025"
     
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  6. Helmut Visor

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    #46 Helmut Visor, Jun 18, 2025
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    Just for info it would appear that TwoTyres have bought Pragmasis and are continuing to supply the quality products they always did ;)

    Pragmasis - Sold Secure Approved Ground Anchors, Security Chains
    Security chains, ground anchors and locks. Police approved and tested by Sold Secure.

    From the Ducati forum:
    "Hi all, towards the end of last year, hard security manufacturer Pragmasis was set to close after 21 years. We (at Two Tyres) had been retailing their products for a few years, and we rated their kit.

    We didn’t want to see Pragmasis go and so we reached an agreement with Steve, the founder of Pragmasis to buy the business. I’m delighted to say we’re back up and running. We have a new website: https://securityforbikes.com and stock is almost back to normal. We have security chains available and a new batch of Roundlocks, DIB D-locks and Torc ground anchors are almost ready.

    We are looking at reinstating the Anti-Pinch Pins and we’re currently prototyping a new product which we hope to have Sold Secure approved and on sale ASAP.

    If there’s anything you need, or if you have any questions about the products and suitability, please drop me a PM and I’ll do my best to help you out.

    Thanks, Ben"
     
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  7. Brixton Steve

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    When out with local bike club for breakfast etc I always disc lock my bike, the odd bit is I'm the only one that bothers. The other guys have got 20k to 30k bikes but dont bother. I take the view all I need do is make mine harder to nick than theirs. A bit brutal perhaps but then so is the world.
     
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  8. Bikerman

    Bikerman Life's not a dress rehearsal.
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    A few years ago now, I went to Germany on my FJ1200, can't remember what city it was, but this guy also had an FJ1200, and he was taking the piss out of the fact I had 3 locks on my bike.
    " Bit OTT mate". I said, " Yeah you're right, but if someone wants to nick an FJ1200, who's bike do you think they'll go for first, yours, or mine " He had no locks on his bike at all.
    He then said with a sad face, " Yeah your right".
     
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  9. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    I never ever lock the ST1050. Just lock the handlebar.
    Were I live it's really quiet, and no-one would bother to steal a 20 years old bike.
    The only bikes that are very rarely stolen around are cross bikes some idiots use to make noise and wheelies around their sh..y place.
    Since I have a new bike, I finally resigned myself to buy a Xena alarmed disc lock.
    I've also put an apple tag on the bike.
     
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  10. Helmut Visor

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    I never lock the handlebar because if anyone does attempt to steal it and snap that lock it can write off the bike just with that alone.
     
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  11. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    That's just to prevent people to play or move the bike.
     
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  12. Brixton Steve

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    Just remembered an article I read in MCN way back in the 70s. Biker had ground lock with chain in garage, went out for whatever and when he returned the garage was broken in to. All these creatures nicked was the actual lock for the chain which he hadn't re attached. Thinking he'd been lucky he parked his bike, later that night they came back and nicked it.. Having read that all those yrs ago I always put the padlock back on the chain. Hope you guys do the same.
     
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