I know you're smarter than that so you're just digging at me now, which is fine, but it's not going to work. Can we not just agree that we disagree, or have some differences in cultural values on some subjects and get back to the important topic of motorcycles?
1st of all any idiot knows you wouldn’t know the first thing to do with any rifle on any occasion. No secret there. So you just talk mad smack with your sniper bullshit, which I get, dude. It’s not hard. Yet you still express your desire to kill bad guys, which I have the right to do under certain circumstances, something you seem to have an issue with despite the thousands of miles between us. Or are just a shit talker across the board? Just a fantasy then? I’m going to go with- shit talker across the board.
And that more or less has been your knee-jerk dismissive response for 2 or 3 threads now. “You’re hilarious, you’re boring me,” et al. Find some new material, dude.
It's not so much dismissive are wanting to draw a line under the discussion points. If you don't want to shake on it, call it a draw, and move on, just let me know.
I am in a 'red' state in the USA. I am not in a big city, rather in a little tourist town of 3,400 in the off season and 35,000 in the 'season'. My next door neighbor is a certified trainer... he trains others to teach CCW - concealed carry weapons courses. He and his wife, as we sit around drinking, are constantly suggesting that I get a gun. I went so far as to get a permit and go gun shopping with my $700 or so budget. As I handled the guns, I realized how powerful they were. If I were to pull out the gun it would be for only one reason, to kill someone. Right? Say there was a burgler in the house and I whipped the gun out. The burgler thought no one was home, as I yell he (OK, or SHE) spins around, and POW POW POW he is dead. All he was looking for was $40 for some crack or whatever and I killed the poor SOB. instead of etting him make off with my 10 year old TV. And honestly, whether he 'deserved' it or not, I would be the one left with the horror of blown out eyeballs and blood and guts spread over my walls and haunting me with nightmares. The truth is, not counting SOME few lost souls, robbers are not murderers, they just want dope. Anyway the discussion point/line I want to move involves these fantasy shootouts. Yeah, I suppose it is true that there are some 'taxi driver' types out there who can be precise when slaughtering the bad guys. But... what is more likely to happen is that like Bob Dylan sings "sometimes you try to help someone out / you end up makin' it a thousand times worse". The fantasy shooter thinks he will hit the bad guy square between the eyes but instead he kills someones grandmother or child or dog or gets shot himself (ok.. herself) and the bad person escapes, or, fires back and HE hits some innocent bystander. So, I see people in wallmart doing the open carry thing. Usually big effin bruisers who could kick my butt with one hand tied behind their back. I laugh to myself, oh brother, as if there is a need around here, like it is the old west or something. What mental twist thinks 'yeah, good idea man, I might need this in a gunfight today'? I do not care one way or the other. There is no need to worry about it. The bumper sticker is true.. "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". I have had a gun pointed at me twice in my 71 years, once by a nut case who was waving it around in fear of me and the other was the police who were evidently in fear of me. People having guns is not as bad as most of us lefties are led to believe. Many people are one issue voters. EX: Anti abortion (Republian) or Anti-gun (Democrat). It is the politicians falsely promising to ban guns then reaping those votes who keep the heat on the issue. It costs them nothing to promise it and golly, the effort fails by just one vote... again! hahaha They never want to control them, because they get elected promising to wave that flag. Same for anti-abortion, except for those yahoo's in Texas who want to succed from the union, that somehow think they do not need the rest of the country because they have oil and refineries.
You sure do have all the scenarios worked out in your head, don't you? So if there's some nickel crackhead in your house you're perfectly willing to roll the dice on whether that "poor SOB" is just there to steal your TV and that's it? That's a pretty foolish policy, bud… especially at your age. The eyeballs, blood, and guts on your wall are very likely to be your own then. Also- you don't necessarily have to discharge a weapon in order to neutralize a threat. Methinks you should get your money back from your drunken trainers and just continue on being a potential victim.
I clicked "like" on your post. Not because I think you are right ( I don't know) but because I liked the very rational way you worded it.
Well, you are not alll wrong. If someone comes in with a gun ready to shoot then, you are right, I would be out of the picture, a smear on the wall. This city has been incorporated since 1952 and the only killlings have been among family and friends who lost control of their tempers. MY Drunken friends - as you call them even though they are simply friendly gun toting social drinkers - are the ones suggesting that I do what you say: go get guns because someone might attack you. I do not have every scenario covered. I simply don't worry enough about possible invasion or violence to go out and buy guns, much less walk around carrying the damn thing. It is hard enough to keep track of phone, walllet, keys. If I see you wearing one, then like I say, I mentally roll my eyes and wonder what in the world has you so 'on guard' that you find yourself walking thru your neighborhood supermarket all decked out ike Dirty Harry. I think it is comical. But... go right ahead, if that is what you want in life. If it gives you the warm and fuzzies then go for it. Many policemen never pullll out their gun in their entire career. Say, I was doing like I used to, camping on motorcycle. There are some remote places where I was nervous about wild animals. A gun - and knowing how to use it - woulld have been nice. Lions... and Tigers .... and bears?... Oh My! So, either you misinterpret or I am not clear, my point is this: guns are dangerous, I am like Barney Fife, I don't need or want one in my home and I feel strongly that I never will. I think MANY gun owners can't REALLY shoot straight and that them 'carrying' is risky to themselves and the people around them. Their fantasy shootouts might not work out the way they think, and the outcome sad.. But like I am sure you read: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. As I shopped, I thought that getting a permit was a reasonable idea. Permits are good because it relieves the shop owner from saying "NO" to someone who suspicious or almost obviously off his rocker. If the police say he/she is entitled, then, that is to me, about all you can do. You do seem very mean, calling me foolish, calling my friends drunks. BUT, it's not like we willl ever meet and have you call me or them fools and drunks to our face. Even still, I do like your colorful ranting and passionate writing style. And, I'll continue reading what you write.
I made it very clear from the get go- I take it you missed that, just like you missed where I said you maintained a "foolish policy" and didn't actually call you a fool. This is the internet, not the real world. I don't even know you. Moreover, you've been on this site for like a nanosecond so that gives me even less to go off of. You were pretty quick to judge me though… not that I care. I'm actually a pretty swell fella. You're also assuming there that a trespasser/burglar is not going to have a visible weapon. Another very foolish conjecture. If someone's in your house or assaulting forward in your yard, it's on. Your "Poor SOB" logic and your worldly possessions are not going to save you. Google "21 Foot Rule." I don't walk through anywhere "all decked out." I carry concealed. You will NEVER see me wearing one. Open carry is for idiots… and cops. We can discuss that if you'd like but I'm pretty sure we already agree here. And before anyone flies off the handle, I didn't just pair cops with idiots. They come with a "deterrent factor" whenever they're on the scene. They have a reason to open carry, and most if not all carry concealed while off duty. There's a reason for that. I also have 30 years experience carrying various firearms, hold several instructor ratings, and have easily expended over 250K rounds in training and a couple hundred or so on the 2-way. In addition to this, I've had to draw on someone one time. I didn't even need to point it at them. They got the message and retreated. So I kinda/sorta know what I'm doing. YMMV. I will say, you're very quick to stereotype myself and gun owners at large. I can only say to anyone(in the States anyway where you can), if you're going to arm yourself you need to put at least a couple hundred rounds through your weapon about every 2 weeks on a range in realistic training scenarios. Just owning one is not going to get you there, even after your initial competency training. I also follow another rule- alcohol and guns don't mix. That includes singing their praises while inebriated, and I take great offense to those who do. And one more thing- NC isn't a altogether "red state" politically. I'm in NC too and own property about a km from the state capital. The governors have been traditionally Dems and the Reps hold more congressional districts by a narrow margin. Right now Dems control the state executive with the R's holding the legislative. Coincidently constitutional carry just made the votes last year but the Dem governor vetoed. There's likely enough votes to override the veto but the governor is dragging it out to the mid-terms with the hopes of getting more D votes to quash the entire agenda. Doesn't matter, open carry is still stupid. https://ballotpedia.org/Party_control_of_North_Carolina_state_government
Tony Blair the war criminal getting a knighthood for causing the deaths of thousands makes my blood boil, there's a petition out to have it removed if anyone wants sign it. https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-...-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded
I stand corrected. You did not call me a fool. You did calll my friends drunks but, again, I am sure that was only to add a little zip and color to your post. Also, I was a little free with the word 'you' as my daily rant sloppily used 'you' when I meant to portray a toter. I do not know you and I agree that any judgement would be very knee-jerk, probably inaccurate. You say you are a good guy. Glad to read it. Since you took the effort to reply, I will offer a comment or two about what you wrote. First, and logically sound is my retort that "me being here for a nano-second" is t-totally irrelevant to the propositions you put forth. (in LOGIC this is termed 'an adhominem - you attack the person not the proposition) You say about me that "I (me - Donnie-boy) am assuming a visible weapon. Well actually I painted a hypothetcal scenario where the burglar did not know I was home, and I capped him and I was not sure that is what I would really want to do ... kill an unarmed intruder. You speak of how I want to stereotye you and gun owners at large? I do not consider that a Hasty Generalization. My 'data' is that: few of the dozen or so gun owners I know surely do not practice even every 6 months. Therefore most gun owners are not good enough gunslingers to have it out. Otherwise I think we are on the same page and agree with much of what you write. I say if you (oops, I mean a person) wants a gun, go for it. You encoourage ownership. You say open carry (with some exception) is stupid. I agree. You say gunslingers should have training. I agree. You say no drinking and shooting. I agree. The point I fail to make is WHY I do not want a stinkin' gun and why you should agree that maybe it is not for me. FIRSTLY and most importantly... I detect no credible threats! No one is breaking into this dump with a gun... any burglar so far down on his/her luck that they rob me is just a petty thief. That is the nature of my neighborhood. And so it is that because there are NO THREATS - credible or imaginary thoug somewhat realistic - I pause before getting a gun. Fear will not send me shopping, buying bullets, guns, gun safes, gun cleaners, going to the range, practicing, bullet proof vests, protective earphones. I am not willing to spend time to go plinking on a regular basis in order to keep my skills usable (thus not self-endangering). SECONDLY, I honestly do not want the experience of having to kill a burgler. I know, it is within rights, yada yada yada. But I am not the judge/jury/executioner type. In my own crazy way I think the junkie types that would lower themselves to rob me already done sold their guns and now they need another $40. Because we make drugs illegal, they become criminals forced to steal, even though their drug habits themselves are victimless crimes. C'mon man is that who we want to kill, just because it is technically legal? Someone's son or daughter, a loving person driven to petty crime because of societies rules? Those are the only people who will affect me. Not murderers. Anyway, to those that hate the idea of gun ownership I say "lighten up". Needing a gun permit is reasonably good for helping a dealer decide to whom he can confidently sell a gun. Let that be the end of it. To those who insist on carrying one, I ask "WHY", really, do your honestly and truly think you need it? Well ok then, I think you are a little paranoid, and SUSPECT (but don't know) that your fantasy shootout coulld well be your demise or the demise of an innocent bystander. To those who have one under their pillow or on their night stands, I hope you are not the groggy sleeper I am if ever you find yourself pulling out the persuader. I think you have every right to have and own it. Happy new year one and all.
So bottom line my “willing to roll the dice” assessment is valid. Not a big deal, man. You be you. Your vision of the world has absolutely no effect on me or my modus operandi. Moreover my rights here are regularly challenged and typically smacked down in federal courts. You do you, I’ll do me. We’re a good couple hours distant. And to the offense you took to the “nanosecond” comment- read it again. That was merely a way of illuminating what little I know about you, of which even if you’d been on here a year or two, I’d still know nowhere near enough to judge you. That in turn is something you’ve demonstrated no reservations to judge those you disagree with on this matter. The only thing to add here that is you’re very prone to accuse me and those like me as maintaining “fantasies” and now “paranoia.” That’s stereotyping, bud. We’re all gun nuts waiting for that fantasy shootout, right?. Newsflash- I live in the real world. By your own text the only one here maintaining fantasies, as well as perfect nightmare scenarios is you. You make A LOT of assumptions… across the board.
