Datatool S4 Removal - Shorting Plug

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  1. Joe2020

    Joe2020 Member

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    #1 Joe2020, Aug 13, 2019
    I’m trying to get hold of the plug I’d need to put back in the loom if I remove the temperamental alarm from a 2013 Bonneville SE. I enquired with Fowlers and got the following reply:-

    Unfortunately Triumph do not narrow it down for us which plug is needed on each bike.
    The list of shorting plugs/earth blocks they have to offer is:

    T2505055 is a 2 Wire - £3.79+vat - Backorder but still available and should take around 5-7 working days to arrive from an ordered date.

    T2500050 is a 1 Wire - £1.79+vat - In stock

    T2500396 is a 4 Wire - £3.00+vat - In stock


    You will need to check which one it is you require from the bike

    Does anyone know, or know how I can find out? Appreciate the answer might just be ‘Ask Triumph’ but no harm asking here too!

    Thanks
     
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  2. Joe2020

    Joe2020 Member

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    #2 Joe2020, Aug 13, 2019
    Bikes not here right now but might be able to do that in due course. Although I assume I would need the blanking plug immediately to be able to keep riding!
     
  3. D'Ecosse

    D'Ecosse Senior Member

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    #3 D'Ecosse, Aug 14, 2019
    Alarm_Connector.jpg

    If you're ditching the alarm anyway, simply cut off the harness about 2-3" from the connector; join 1 to 2 and 3 to 5 - done.

    If you want you can pull out all the other unused terminals

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  4. Alatamoc

    Alatamoc Senior Member

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    #4 Alatamoc, Aug 14, 2019
    Thank you for this.
    Been meaning to remove my S4 from the tbird for ages.
     
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  5. Joe2020

    Joe2020 Member

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    #5 Joe2020, Aug 14, 2019
    Spot on, cheers!
     
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  6. Joe2020

    Joe2020 Member

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    #6 Joe2020, Aug 14, 2019
    Triumph won’t tell me via email, I’d have to take the V5 and ID etc. to a dealer to get the part number. Not surprising I suppose.
     
  7. D'Ecosse

    D'Ecosse Senior Member

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    #7 D'Ecosse, Aug 14, 2019
    T2505055 is not even an alarm bypass connector - it's a ground block retrofit upgrade for T505/T595 Triples from 97-99

    T2500050 is the bypass connector for alarms of the 97-99 vintage - it indeed has "one wire" in a loop between two of the terminals.

    T2500396 is the bypass connector most commonly used on all models since ~ 2000 - it does NOT have 4 wires, it has TWO wires, two loops between respective pairs of terminals

    T2500396 is the one you need for your bike
     
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  8. Joe2020

    Joe2020 Member

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    #8 Joe2020, Aug 14, 2019
    Perfect, thanks
     
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  9. Dave Roxburgh

    Dave Roxburgh Well-Known Member

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    #9 Dave Roxburgh, Aug 12, 2020
    Brilliant! Many thanks. I'm about to pull the Datatool S4 piece of trash off my Thruxton and this is very helpful.

    A couple of questions:

    Obviously, if the alarm were armed it would go ballistic as soon as you unplugged it. Is it enough just to disarm the alarm or do you need to put it in Winter mode or something?

    Also, is there anything clever about physically removing the alarm or is it just held in with regular fixings?

    Cheers.
     
  10. D'Ecosse

    D'Ecosse Senior Member

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    #10 D'Ecosse, Aug 12, 2020
    Some installs have a heatshrink sleeve or even a hard enclosure with anti-tamper screws over the alarm to main harness connector interface (most later ones are just the heatshrink) - so you might not immediately see the connector.

    Yes, best to put in winter mode prior to removal
    I've read of guys dumping it in a bucket of water or pounding it with a sledgehammer! :)

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  11. William Bonni

    William Bonni New Member

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    #11 William Bonni, May 9, 2021
    It would appear that it is not as simple as that!!! I have a 2012 Bonneville and my alarm failed, off I went to Triumph and bought the shorting link @ £15.00, fitted it and the bike fired up straight away, much joy until I noticed that the engine management light was on and stayed on so I now have another problem to solve!!!
     
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    William Bonni New Member

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    #12 William Bonni, May 9, 2021
     
  13. Andrew Davies

    Andrew Davies New Member

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    #13 Andrew Davies, May 13, 2021
    Hi
    Desperately trying to fit an aftermarket alarm via the alarm connector triumph tiger 955i 2005 slightly unsure of couple connections, any help much appreciated

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