Corona Virus

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  1. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    I was merely anticipating your non scientific refutation.
     
  2. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    Do as you like..
     
  3. garethr

    garethr Well-Known Member

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    #2303 garethr, Nov 20, 2020
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    I don't know about France, but...

    in the UK, the COVID-19 deaths include anyone who tested positive in the prior 28 days, so we don't know if it was SARS-COV-2 that actually killed them.

    (There is another, higher, count that includes anyone whose death certificate mentioned COVID-19 as one of the causes, but I guess that could include anyone who had coughed in the presence of a doctor.)
     
  4. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    People dying from Covid 10, or SARS COV 2 spend days/weeks in intensive care. What is the point trying to disqualified that? Seriously?
     
  5. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    ok then noone died from covid. Typical biais confirmation. You're 3 or 4 like that; play together.
     
  6. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Deux points:

    I never passed comment on the ladder story. It simply illustrates the problem of proximate cause and dying ‘of Covid’ or ‘with Covid’.

    Secondly you seem desperate NOT to be forgotten but don’t actually make the leap from playground insult to mature argument.
     
  7. Hubaxe

    Hubaxe Good moaning! aka Mr Wordsalad :)

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    One example is not all. Usual process.
    You probably insulted more than your turn, even in my own language.
    Now all of this is irritating a lot of people here, and I understand them. I drop it.

    And stop quoting me in your flooding post. Well do what you want, I won't answer anymore.
     
  8. MadMrB

    MadMrB Elite Member

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    And it is you that is the most irritating! : unamused:

    Present some real facts, in context to previous years. Childish emotions are not evidence or facts :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    A pretty unsubtle reference to 1984 in the chorus!

     
  10. garethr

    garethr Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why they do it that way, but, as you will understand, the way they count UK COVID-19 deaths means that the number could include people whose deaths were not caused by COVID-19 and, possibly, miss deaths that were caused by COVID-19.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/det...tive-deaths-within-28-days-of-a-positive-test

    The problem is that all of the UK statistics cannot be trusted.

    Why, indeed, would they do that?
     
  11. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    Pull up a chair.

    When this thing kicked off there were no tests available for this specific virus.....it was thought. Once the genetic sequence was discovered it became possible to search for chunks of matching genetic code. By running the test through multiple cycles you could find infinitesimally small segments. Great?

    Not exactly. The guy who devised the PCR test (recently deceased) intended it as a research tool NOT a diagnostic tool. He suggested it might need to run up to as many as 40 cycles to find ‘something ‘ but probably only 20. The UK Covid test has typically been run at 45.....

    Which means the test is a mixture of vague and inaccurate......just like the resulting data. A positive test could be:
    A live infection
    A past infection
    Dead virus on the patient killed by their immune system
    Contamination (a big problem if you saw the C4 Despatches programme.)

    So all the ‘cases’ reported don’t tell us that much. Early on they might have done because it was mostly all new disease. By the time testing was ramped up there were thousands like my daughter and son-in-law - recovered but shedding dead virus. A recent Austrian study of such asymptomatic positive cases revealed 97% were NOT infectious.

    My opinion: Politicians cocked up taking advice from non subject matter experts. They still are and using vaccine cavalry to get THEM out of gaol.

    In fact we had more pre-existing immunity than previously supposed and with a second spike in infections appear to now be herd immunity territory. The epidemic is naturally subsiding as the numbers indicate. It predated any Lockdown. The vaccine is nice to have (if proven thoroughly safe) but looks increasingly superfluous this time around. Covid will doubtless re-emerge as a seasonal bug much like bad flu.

    Another real clinician’s take:


    https://electroverse.net/dr-roger-hodkinson-on-covid-hoax/

    Oh and big tech are trying to censor him.....a lot of big money at stake.
     
  12. dilligaf

    dilligaf Guest

    I take it you haven’t found an old bike to work on yet :confused::p
     
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  13. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    But do you surrender?
     
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  14. Erling

    Erling Elite Member

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    1-winston-churchill-never-surrender-filip-hellman.jpg
     
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  15. Rocker

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    Thank you very much *Elvis voice*hubaxe has left the building :joy:
     
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  16. dilligaf

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    YES :grinning:
    I actually think you’re right mate the more I look at this feckin shit show the more I think they fecked it up and are now covering their feckin arses :poop:

    you STILL need an auld motorseekle to work on though :joy::p
     
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  17. Callumity

    Callumity Elite Member

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    2018 is quite old enough. I want it to keep going and not fret about hidden fuses that will never blow.....
     
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  18. dilligaf

    dilligaf Guest

    :mad:TWAT:mad:....:p
     
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  19. andypandy

    andypandy Crème de la Crème

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    Yes you are quite correct, they did put a bell in the ball for a short period. But we soon found out that our players perform much better in a game if they don't actually touch the ball.
     
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