Starting problems

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  1. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Triumph Speed Triple 1050 Se 2010

    I do 60 miles per day and this morning it is not starting
    Temperature was down to -1c last night and the bike is garaged.
    Yesterday morning it 'just' started, and in the afternoon it had no problem, but this morning is a no go.

    It turns over one crank (3 pistons) and then the starter cuts off and I get the whine as the compression is released.
    So I get a - chug, chug, chug, whine
    I tried this about five times but stopped as I don't want to flood the engine.
    The battery is less than 1 year old and is showing 12.6v, it is on charge now though.

    Side stand is up
    In neutral
    Clutch in
    Kill switch is in correct position

    Does anyone else have this problem in low temperatures, is there a quick fix so I can get to work this morning rather than wait for it to finish the charge?
     
  2. t552

    t552 Senior Member

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    sounds like low battery condition.
     
  3. roadrider

    roadrider First Class Member

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    I was going to say battery as well. Just had to put a new one on the car,same symptoms.
     
  4. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Battery is still charging, but I have ordered a replacement - Motobatt MBTX12U
    Their website says this is the correct one for my bike and has a higher CCA of 200 compared to the current CCA of 180 on the Yuasa YTX12-BS

    www.motobatt.com

    Delboys Garage fitted one to a Tiger and the crank speed on start was twice that of the original.

    Cost £50 plus delivery from M&P (£8.50 next day)

    Hopefully I will get to work for this afternoon

    Thanks for your replies guys
     
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  5. Recycled Rocker

    Recycled Rocker Senior Member

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    Nice one RT. Motobatt good, I also had a gizmo on my Bonnie SE which prevented headlamp coming on when trying to start. Then a flick of dip switch brought headlamp on.
     
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  6. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    3 hours of charge and I was good enough to get the bike going.
    Seems the cold just drained the battery, or my bike isn't charging it enough, doing 60 miles a day should be plenty to keep the battery topped up of course. I will run the multimeter over the bike and see what charge is going through...
     
  7. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    What is this gizmo you speak of...sounds intriguing. Would be very useful on my bike.
     
  8. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    I think what RR is talking about is an after-market cable option that fits within the headlamp but means that the headlight doesn't automatically come on, when you try to start the bike,thereby concerning battery power.

    From memory it's a plug 'n play option available via Ebay.
     
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  9. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse,he's out of bed again

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    cold weather can kill batteries. a battery can show power as yours did at 12.6 volts but when you try to use it,ie to start, there is not enough in there to turn the starter. I would be careful with the old battery and not overdo the trying to start bit, you could end up screwing up the sprag clutch. the motobatt will be great, you will see a difference straight away, and yes I have one on my Sprint.
     
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  10. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    Easy Start Headlight Control Module is what you want to google
     
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  11. crispey

    crispey crispey creme de la creme

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    this might be a help http://www.squaredeals-ltd.co.uk/ea...models-rocket-3-street-triple-etc-20924-p.asp
     
  12. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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    Ahh - the days when you had the option to turn your headlight on and off. (like the Trident).
     
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  13. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Cheers for this Crispey, but at £40 it is pretty much the same price as the battery I have bought. Why us it wiring looms/accessories are so expensive

    Thanks for linking though. I have not used Square Desls yet but will look at them in future, they are mentioned quite a bit on here.
     
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  14. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    Fitted the Motobatt last night, now I have a nice and positive start. No chug chug chug,she now goes CHChCh vroom.

    (I have never been particularly good at onomatopoeia)
     
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  15. thebiglad

    thebiglad Old fart, still riding !

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    Excellent news RT, well done !!!!
     
  16. steve lovatt

    steve lovatt Something else

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  17. sprintdave

    sprintdave Nurse,he's out of bed again

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    Simple fix, the best type of fix. Great news
     
  18. Stefano

    Stefano New Member

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    Dam it looks like l may need to fork out for one of those motobat battery's as well and , or get the headlights cut off. Anyway know anywhere in London to fit one or so most workshops do them easy
     
  19. Red Thunder

    Red Thunder Crème de la Crème

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    I have learnt a lot since my problems.
    The wiring loom thing didn't work for me due to not enough room to install behind each headlight
    On my 2010 Speed Triple I have upgraded the wire loom from the stator to a new rectifier and the wires go direct to the battery, bike now charges at almost 1volt higher
    I also upgraded the loom to the starter motor
    Replacing the existing wires with higher guage=less resistance, so I get a better charge and a stronger start
     
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