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  1. Bad Billy

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    @Kin Ton Ti ... He knows all this stuff only because of the hard graft that @Dozers Dad and the rest of us have put into educating him in to the correct spellings and terminology to use on a Brit based forum for British bikes, albeit made in Taiwan!
    I must correct him on one mistake though, TWAT is most definitely is the noun to describe @Ron Ashurst :D
     
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  2. joe mc donald

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    Peeps this is getting way out of my depths. I just know Britain and America have always stood shoulder to shoulder. And thank God they did. Its nought to do though with Kin Ton Ti's question. Which was a respectful question.
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  3. Tricky-Dicky

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    I think the biggest mistake our friend Kin Ton Ti has made is asking some of you guys to clarify anything...the poor chap is going to have linguistic nightmares after this.:scream:
     
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  4. stinger

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    I think we shouldn't forget, we cant even agree amongst ourselves how to pronounce words.
    I give you
    Scone, for the colonials pronounced to rhyme with cone or gone depending where you are from.
    The town of Shrewsbury pronounced to rhyme with Shrow or Shrew

    And finally for me
    The fine city of Bath, pronounced to rhyme with Baaa (if you are from the area) or the harsher Ba if you are a Northern Monkey
     
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  5. Tricky-Dicky

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    I think our American friends have just as much trouble, especially with the size of the country what with parts of the Appalachians and Louisiana being almost another language.;)
     
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  6. Callumity

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    Americans:
    Lee Chester
    War-wick

    And the place outside Perth, Scotland is Scoon (Scone)
     
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  7. Kin Ton Ti

    Kin Ton Ti Supreme Galactic Commander

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    Fact. I'm from the Panhandle of Florida, and we all definitely have Southern Accents. I used to try to lose it, but I have up a long time ago. When I joined the Navy back in 1988, it was the first time I had friends from other areas of the country, and when I finally got to call home, I thought to myself, "Dang, my mom has an accent!".:joy:

    I don't take any offense to this stuff, I actually think it's funny. If I poke back, it's all in good fun. I'm half Slavic, half Scots Irish English. I lost my dad at a young age, so I grew up like every other Scots Irish kid in the Southeastern United States. My family names were Adams, Holmes, Brake, Booker and a slew of others. I've always been proud of my heritage, and one day I'd like to visit the UK. But...you guys are seriously worrying me with your immigrant issues and your mayor in London.:D
     
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  8. Kin Ton Ti

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    Awesome post, man. I'll keep this as my new dictionary!:grinning:
     
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  9. Kin Ton Ti

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    It was always family legend that my grandfather's side was Welsh, but Ancestry.com lumps Wales and England together, so it's not specifically identified in the DNA test. If we were Welsh, and they are rednecks, that would explain a lot!:laughing:
     
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  11. Tricky-Dicky

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    Isn't that miss Wales 2013........:p:p:p
     
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  12. Kin Ton Ti

    Kin Ton Ti Supreme Galactic Commander

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    A good example in the US, is Maryland and Virginia. Even though they border each other, they have very different accents. Another example is the Panhandle of Florida, where I’m from. It’s like the closer you go to the coast, the softer the accent. You head directly north into Alabama and Tennessee, and hit that nasaly mountain Southern Accent. In the North, the closer you get to Canada, you can hear more of the “Fargo” accent. It’s all very interesting, when you think about it.



     
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  13. Kin Ton Ti

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    Now we’re going to end up on differences in music! :laughing:

    This is my idea of good Country:

     
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  14. Adie P

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    #54 Adie P, Feb 16, 2019
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    Yeah, I know, it's a spectrum and boundary definitions are elastic but THIS is GREAT COUNTRY -



    A good story - with more than a grain (!) of historical accuracy? :D
     
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  15. Kin Ton Ti

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    Historically accurate, for sure. Moonshiner families in the South did transition to marijuana.
     
  16. Callumity

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    We recognise Ulster Scots as a precursor of the Americanism ‘Scots Irish’ but the movement of people to and within these islands over the last 6,000 years since the ice sheets retreated is as much a matter of archaeology and myth as fact. Identity is as much self perception as genetic.
    Plenty of people like to think of themselves as something they are not! The DNA record shows (with individual variations) all ‘native’ Scots, Irish, Welsh and English are about 75% descended from the Beaker People (named for their pottery) who splashed across the North Sea when the Thames was a tributary of the Rhine which discharged into the Norwegian Sea somewhere up near Iceland. Later arrivals like Roman troops from all over their empire then Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jutes, Vikings, Hugenot French, you name it have topped off the genetic mix and continue to do so to this day.
    Consequently your North American WASP was quite a mongrel before he hit your shores. Late 19C and 20C migration from the Old World stirred the pot every bit as much as the poor souls uprooted from Africa.
    Throw in religious and dynastic wars on top of early kingdoms and it gets doubly confusing.
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    The Britons on this map we would now call Welsh. Their descendants in Northern Britain adopted a new language (English) but became Scots and some moved West and became Irish........see the problem? Britain is the same word as ‘Breton’ French from NW France and the Normans were French speaking Vikings, not Franks........

    So both Catholic and Protestant Kennedys are pretty common and lots of American Irish aren’t! But don’t waste your time trying to convince them otherwise as myths take some shifting.....
     
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  17. Adie P

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    Damn .... I wish I could write like that!!:dizzy:
     
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  18. Kin Ton Ti

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    #58 Kin Ton Ti, Feb 16, 2019
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    In the end, we're all a mix of everything. I remember going through the two Western Civilization classes in college, and being totally confused about how the royal families kind of traveled around everywhere.

    I don't think any of my family ever identified as "Irish". To your point, Irish in the Southern US, means an Irish Catholic from the Northeast. I have friends from Boston, and those are the "Irish" that I know! :laughing:
     
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  19. Callumity

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    Armstrong is a Borders name straddling the English Scots border but County Fermanagh and Ulster is full of them too thanks to C17 ‘issues’ that echo to this day. And the Uncle Sam plopped one on the Moon..... everyone claims him!
     
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  20. Kin Ton Ti

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    Armstrong's certainly a hero in the U.S.;)

    I don't think that most Americans understand the conflict that occurred in Northern Ireland. Had I not chosen to join the military, I'm not sure I would have ever known much about it, either. Even so, it doesn't have an emotional connection when I refer to it, as I'm sure it does in the UK. It's probably similar to the American Civil War in that, to this day, it still stirs emotions.
     
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