Short When Ignition Turned On

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  1. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    #1 TheThing, May 27, 2017
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    Hi guys,

    I'm a MUPPET. I have managed to leave my Tiger 885 carb's ignition on over night. Drained the battery and also caused some damage somewhere.

    I have recharged the battery and used a different battery for testing.
    When I turn the ignition on there is a current draw of 1 amp from the battery and battery voltage drops to about 9 volts. What have I cooked by leaving the ignition on ?

    Starter relay seems fine. Operates ok and a reading of 4 ohms across the coil. Not sure what else to test or how to test it. I have a digital multi meter so can test Volts, Amps and Ohms, but only 10's of Ohms upwards really.

    Any pointers welcome.

    Thanks.

    Rob.
     
  2. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    Been playing.
    So far I have disconnected
    • the main ecu
    • starter motor
    • the single coil, and the two coil on plug things
    • Indicator relay
    • engine stop switch
    • front lights
    • rear lights
    • alternator
    • instrument cluster
    • starter relay
    With each disconnected I measured the resistance between the battery terminals when the ignition is turned on.
    Each time the resistance drops from infinite (above 200 ohms anyway) to about 15 ohms.
    Not sure what I'm missing.

    I can't see any burnt wiring outside the taped loom. Should I start removing the tape and looking for shorts ?

    Any hints would be welcomed.

    Thanks.

    Rob.
     
  3. Sprinter

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    The ignition its self ?????
     
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  4. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    Hey Sprinter.

    The ignition switch seems to test ok. I followed the Haynes diagram and it seems to short the correct pins and only the correct pins on the connector at each switch position..
     
  5. Sprinter

    Sprinter Kinigit

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  6. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    Removed by previous owner. Just have a bunched of taped wires. It has run in this condition so I haven't played with them. Though best not to wake the beast.....
     
  7. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    You say you've disconnected the starter relay, have you disconnected all of the wiring ( solenoid coil & starter cables ).

    Crankshaft sensor ?

    Have you removed all of the fuses ?

    As @Sprinter has suggested I would be tempted to carefully look into the disconnected alarm wiring that is taped up, take pictures as you strip it back to make sure you can put it all back once you have verified that your fault is or isn't in there!
     
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  8. Rocker

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    Side stand switch ?
     
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  9. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    I have gone over the bike disconnecting items and testing the resistance between the battery terminals when the ignition is switched on.
    • I've disconnected the starter motor feed wire from the starter motor.
    • The starter relay (Currently sat on my desk waiting to go back on)
    • The single coil and two coil on plug things.
    (I removed the low tension feed wires and the HT lead from the coil. Removed the plug caps from the spark plugs and the low tension leads from the caps)
    • The side stand switch plug
    • The pick up coil ( Is this the camshaft sensor ? )
    The main 60 Amp fuse circuit is the one with the short. I have pulled each fuse and tested. With the 60 removed, no more short.

    Thanks some much for all your help guys.
     
  10. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Yes the pickup coil is the crankshaft sensor and should be on a plug connector, can you post the wiring diagram or tell us what else is on the 60A fuse.
     
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  11. capt

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  12. TheThing

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  13. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Not knowing which fuse is the 60A I would also look at the headlamp relays as you have already disconnected the headlamps.

    I would also take a close look at the cooling fan & relay and the alarm wiring as these are both fed directly from the battery via fuses. and I would think the cooling fan is always a good candidate due to its location.
     
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  14. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    There is a separate feed to the headlights. This was added for a single light that was on it when I got it. Currently all the front lights are disconnected including relays.
    The cooling fan and relay are currently disconnected. This was my next job after the head lights.

    Just unwrapped the alarm wiring. All wires are cut off. Two grey wires are soldered together. The bike has run in this "configuration".

    Regarding the main fuse. It's actually a 30 Amp and it's the center fuse on the diagram, red in, white out.

    Thanks guys.
    So close to getting this bike on the road and I go and make a Muppet move like this. There aren't enough swear words.
     
  15. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    As you removed and tested each component have you reconnected each one or are they still disconnected.

    Is the fault still apparent with the ignition switch in the off position taking readings at the battery terminals ? this tells us if its something before or after the switch.
     
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  16. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    I took the coils off as a group. Everything else I have unplugged, tested, then reconnected. I have left the headlights, tail lights, fan circuit and starter solenoid unconnected.
    The short only occurs when the ignition switch is on.

    I may start from the top and test each item again and make sure I haven't missed anything. I'll start by checking out each contact on the ignition switch in each postion, then work my way though each component and connector.
     
  17. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Rather than that I would either disconnect each item one at a time leaving them disconnected until you find the culprit, or disconnect everything and reconnect them one at a time until the fault reappears, as you are down to a shorter list of parts as the fault is after the ignition switch and could possibly be a short in the loom which will only become apparent with everthing else disconnected.

    Its a long way round but with the amount you have checked already it a logical step unless anyone else has a better option
     
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  18. Sprinter

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    I read some of the other forums some say they left it on no proplems some say stator fryed









    Im not good at this and may be talking cr@p
     
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  19. TheThing

    TheThing Member

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    It's a bit of work, but I think you might be right.
    Label every connector.
    Pull them all, then start plugging them back in and testing.
    Time for a coffee and a ciggy, then I'm to look for my masking tape and a black marker.
     
  20. Oldyam

    Oldyam Grumpy Old Git

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    Check that its clear once its all disconnected including temp sensor and handlebar switches etc with the ignition switch on.
     
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