How’s the immunity concept going btw @Callumity? Apparently we have had a record number (39,237) of new positive tests and another 744 deaths reported today - here’s the link: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ In addition enough of the world is sufficiently concerned about the likelihood of importing deaths from the UK that we are effectively in our own macro quarantine, including blockades at Dover. Just as well that, according to your own personal knowledge, “many (most?) of us” are now naturally immune, otherwise this could have been really serious
Immunity is not a concept but basic immunology. Why am I unsurprised you have yet to grasp it? Ditto T cell immunity in swathes of the population (30+% possibly up to 50%) before Covid struck from exposure to other common coronavirus infections. It must be very much higher than that now. As to ‘cases’ yet again you fail to grasp that the standard PCR test is not, and never was intended as a diagnostic test and yet that was the use use to which it was put at many more cycles than even its inventor suggested appropriate. The false positive rate for PCR with multiple handling errors and scope for cross contamination could be over 90%. It cannot differentiate between live infections, dead virus and being mixed in conditions far short of sterile laboratory conditions as evidenced by tv exposes. If you were a smidgen more curious you would know this but I expect you have already dismissed it out of hand without further serious enquiry. You can be my vaccine bitch! Meanwhile I have no doubt the figures are manufactured. I heard from a medical professional this very morning that one Central Belt hospital hasn’t admitted a case in many weeks. Not that Nicola would tell you when ‘her’ hospitals themselves remain a locus of infection.
Buried in the doublespeak is ground truth: https://twitter.com/1bjdj/status/1342073507912577026?s=21 Just 50 confirmed diagnoses in England & Wales for Covid 19 last week as a notifiable disease v. thousands of of publicised but ultimately meaningless +ve PCR tests.
Dope, idiot. Different words, same thing. A willingness to take things at face value in politics is the crossover point between naïveté and stupidity.
The vaccine will arrive in Norway just after Christmas, and most of us can't wait. Old people in Oslo's nursing homes are first in line. 95 pct. of the residents have accepted getting the jab. So as long as we'll get the needed quantity, coverage will be good.
Going back to the thread title and not points scoring off each other Last week I had my 4-6 week haematology consultation and I ask the consultant if he advised me to have the vaccination. The reply was “With regards to the Covid-19 vaccine there is no contraindication from a Haematology perspective and I encourage you to have this vaccine once offered.Patients with blood cancers are excluded from clinical trials and hence we will not know whether patients will produce protective level of antibodies” So for me it looks like a gamble, I’ll have the vaccination and I’ll just have to hope that I produce enough if any protective antibodies, if I don’t have the vaccination I feel that I’ll be in lock down for ever.
It is tough times for everybody right now and more so for folk like your good self mate. I hope that you and all of us can come through this cr@p year and prosper in health in 2021
Or you could rely on Conspiracy Cal’s view that there have only ever been been 50 odd cases in the UK, and most of those were false positives (otherwise known as the definition of naïveté). Dave: “Hmmm, now which one should I choose....?”
3-4 days before my 4-6 weekly consultation I have to have a blood test so to add another test on my blood sample would be possible I hope. So hopefully good idea Ade
Here’s some debunking of COVID lockdown sceptics Ivor Cummins and Dr Mike Yeadon for us to take at face value gents and ladies. https://fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/
Are you trying to be naive? Your source struggled 3x to meet its charitable purpose, is owned by a Tory donor and staffed by journalists, not scientists. Fact checkers do their masters’ bidding and inevitably come with a bias all of their own. It’s either unconscious (hat tip Harry) or concealed. Here is a perspective from people routinely assailed by Big Pharma because you can’t patent vitamins and natural remedies. https://www.anhinternational.org/news/who-s-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/ Mike Yeadon is only selling a lifetime’s experience in respiratory infection research so comes with relatively clean hands. He has openly admitted a bad experience at Pfizer with mathematical modellers with zero clinical insight. Sound familiar? And if you think the PCR test, as specified, is reliable then, for once, words fail me. Unlike a SAGE behavioural psychologist who is spouting off as though they are a virologist. Conspiracy? Not exactly but hubristic idiots all round at various stages of their own car crash and we are merely the passengers.
Cal, as someone who says there are just 50 new cases a week and that the first wave peaked because we had reached herd immunity you ought to be very careful about throwing the word “naive”around
As someone who tries to be accurate where did I say 50 new cases a week? You have form for persistently misquoting me. I believe I pointed out discrepancies between the narrative and official data. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020
