Do we have an expert on Tartans that can spend some time studying the image really carefully to identify which clan it belongs to?
Interesting, after reading your posted link Jez it appears that there could be Norman-French links to the name Corbey and names were often spelt differently even within the same sentence. So could Corby really be Corbey, is there a French connection. Could Gary’s cousin riding the Harley be trying to dance the can-can
Could also be an Irish Tartan , Irish National is very close. We Scots aren’t the only ones to claim Tartan
@Dozers Dad Hmmmm where did the Normans come from again I think Normandy which was a Duchy of France wasn’t it DD? So the English Crown was ruled by Frenchmen for quite some time wasn’t it. So England has much closer links with the soft Cheese eating surrender monkeys than we do
So England has had SCESM ancestors since 1066, when they conquered the old ( useless infighting Anglo Saxons ). So who else conquoured you ?
Normandy wouldn't by any chance be the area of France ceded to the Norse Men by the cheese eating surrender monkeys, who were so fed up with being raided they just said "please stop, here's a big chunk of land if you just leave us alone!", would it? That said, William got very lucky with the timing and only had to fight half an army that were already exhausted from fighting a battle to see off one invasion then marching hundreds of miles.
PUB BORE ALERT Identity is a funny thing. We get very steamed up about it but most people, in truth, are woefully ignorant about their forebears. History is not always that helpful because it has fairly been described as being ‘written by the victors’ and gets revised when archaeology, the dna record etc., replace stories with science. Fact: their is no native British population....we’re all naturalised to some degree. Something like 70% of the British Isles (i.e. incl Ireland) white population’s dna comes from the Beaker People who splashed and canoed across the North Sea when it was a boggy estuary of the Rhine into which the Meuse and the Thames flowed. The origins of the Beaker People and their migration routes are uncertain much like Scandinavia. People followed up a retreating ice sheet. The Beaker people were followed by waves of migrants/invaders who dominated their local areas then intermarried. It gets more complicated when return migrants from Ireland to North Britain call themselves Scots and centuries later Border Scots and northern English are settled in Northern Ireland and become Ulster Scots........ What is inarguable is that the Anglo Saxons of Alfred’s dynasty originally came from Northern Germany and ruled the roost from the Lothians to Cornwall. Alfred’s grandson was King of Britain and resoundingly defeated a revolt of nominally Scots, Welsh and Irish (lots of Scandinavians in there too) in 937. Having created a unified Britain and united England the Vikings still chipped away. 1066 was in some ways the final Viking victory but the Normans had acquired a few Frankish (rather than French) habits and then got seduced themselves by an idea of England. Concurrently Scotland and Ireland were not themselves unified kingdoms. If like 90% of us you were a peasant while all this history was being played out, you kept your head down while you could. All this patriotism and nation building stuff lay far in the future. Life was ‘nasty, brutal and short’. The explosion of tartan and pattern books owes much to Sir Walter Scott and the 1822 visit of George IV to Edinburgh - the first ruling monarch since James VI rushed South in 1603 to become James I of England. Meanwhile, the forerunners of the forming regiments of the Royal Regiment of Scotland (less the sidelined Black Watch) were all on the winning side at Culloden. The long and short of it is that we are far more intertwined and connected than we care to admit and define ourselves by a few % points of difference rather than our overwhelming commonality. Well I’m common anyway......
Agree 100% we are a mixed race. No such thing as a pure blood. I am Scots yet I know I have a strong Irish connection. Doesn’t mean I won’t still take the mickey out of you for being English. Immigration either by war or peaceful means has happened since the year dot. Which is why I find it so laughable about Brexit and getting our borders back. If only the Brit Nats, BNP, EPL , SPL various other Nationalist groups knew their history and realised as a country we need legal immigration to make up a very large skills gap currently being filled by Europeans. That was/is the advantage of free movement. Illegal immigration is an entirely different situation.
...and the very thing you found laughable, came about precisely because of the thing that you acknowledge is where the problem lays. Just saying.
No wonder garym wants open borders Still it’ll be good for the British economy as all of his mates will be spending their benefits over here https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...and-booze-drink-supermarkets-nicola-sturgeon/
They could charge £100 for strong bow , carlsberg special etc. Disgusting chemical cr@p. As you say it won’t stop alcoholism, just as limiting the amount of paracetamol in one shop hasn’t stopped paracetamol being used in suicide attempts. A knee jerk reaction to binge drinking is all it is. Fining drunk kids or their parents £500 a time for avoidable alcohol accidents/incidents would soon help curb it.
