New Land Rover Pick Up

Very pretty but personally, I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole…..taped to the end of another, even longer barge pole.

 

For me it looks like that a Mini is hiding in a Land Rover.

 

What a pile of junk, JLR really have lost their way starting from a good UTILITY vehicle, that was very capable, and ending up with a Chelsea tractor that spends the majority of the year in the garage.

5.0 supercharged V8....... who's paying for the petrol, been there, done that, and let's not mention the road tax.

No doubt the reliability will be typically shocking as we've come to expect.
I am aware of a guy who is waiting months for a cracked windscreen resolving, the problem being it's inside the warranty period. No contractors are allowed due to the heads up display etc yet they don't have any stock. The vehicle in question was going up for sale at £55k but he can't move it on until repaired. He even offered it into the same main dealer in px at £45k accepting the hit, but as they can't get parts they declined him. You couldn't make it up!

Absolutely shocking pile of junk!

Just for clarity, in the past I was an avid LR fan having had various products of theirs;
series 2
series 3
Classic RR x2
Disco 1 x2
90
110

..... no more, the old stuff had it's issues but the modern stuff is far worse.

 

Absolutely @Eldon !
I have a 1996 Defender 90 which throws it's toys out of the pram now and again for no reason whatsoever, but it can usually be fettled with a good kick and a bit of swearing. I know of so many folk with shocking LR reliability issues there's no way I would have a modern one.

 

OK, I’m firmly in the Land Cruiser camp but it’s an old(ish) one, 1997, the last of the mechanically injected diesels, no AD blue, no DPF/CAT, no fancy electronics or “contact your dealer” warning light. Apart from the basic electrics that make it run It has electric windows and seats, an FM radio, and a fag lighter and that’s about it.
I’ve read the new Defender has 85 ECU’s capable of processing thousands of “network messages” simultaneously. WTF!!

 

A camchain should last far more than 57k miles, belts last longer than that..... shocking.
The company van is 40k miles between oil changes...... that just seems ridiculous in my engineering mind.

Don't get me on about wet belts... what a stupid idea!
A mate has a Puma from new 2020. At 30k miles he's now sweating and wondering if it's best to offload it before it causes any problems.
THIRTY THOUSAND MILES and he's now worried
Main dealer serviced to the book... every TWO YEARS
His youngest sold his Fiesta to his own girlfriend who's now doing lessons. First time out the oil light comes on
The belt had degraded and blocked the oil strainer.

£1000 in a back street garage for a new wet belt, oil pump and other bits fitting

Modern cars and designs are rubbish, they've simply gone off the plot of sensible reliable transport and just want to milk you of every penny along the way!

 

I’ve seen videos of the wet belt problem and it beggars belief. I always understood one of the main advantages of a belt drive was it’s external and easier/cheaper to inspect and change despite having a shorter life than an internal chain drive which (was supposed to) last the life of the engine, or at least well into six figures. If this is progress, then up the Luddites!

 

I'm certainly not sure I'd call that an advantage but I like your optimism.
Personally I'd class myself as a realist, although others may say pessimist.
So, if an external cambelt fails it bends a few valves. Head off, spend a few quid and abracadabra.... I've done plenty of those jobs.

If an internal wet belt goes, we just trash the crank, mains, oil pump etc.....

Engine.... bin

Start again.

And that's progress?

 

I once repaired a van for a courier. One morning it wouldn't start so he thought no problem as I live on a big hill
Let it roll and get some speed up, drop the clutch in 2nd and....... nothing
Ok let's try that again!
Nothing
All the push rods, cam in the bottom but supposedly belt driven, yep all x8, were so uniformly kinked that it looked like the manufacturer intentionally made them like that.
The belt was probably on the floor outside his house

On another day.....
I once test drove a Mercedes after servicing it. Foot down into kickdown and we're off

..... it's a real shame the valve head came off before it changed back up a gear

 

And here's a like Father, like Son pic

Lexmoto 50, over revved downhill after the restrictor bush was removed

 

JLR rant.​

JLR called me to say my Evoque was due a service. An expensive one as the flexible brake pipes needed changing. We agreed a date and time. 3 days before the service an email arrives suggesting I can check-in online, which I did by answering loads of questions just like a survey. The night before the service a phone call asking exactly the same questions. I took the car in to the dealership where I was told it would be over 4 hours. I'd arranged to meet a friend for lunch. 4 hours later, a phone call to say the engine service was complete but they couldn't do the brake pipes as they hadn't got any in stock. Another visit scheduled for the end of December. They then told me they couldn't update the service record until the pipes were replaced. 3 days later they phoned to ask my opinion on the customer service I'd received. They got both barrels!

On the plus side, I did get to have a wander around Smiths of Chester.

 

Very few, if any modern engines are of the non-interferece type so, in the absence of a warranty, if the cam belt/chain breaks, so does your wallet.

 

You MUST post pictures of the pooches. It's the law!